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US not hiding aliens or UFO technology from the public, Pentagon says

5 points by c420 3y ago

elmerfud 3y ago
No matter if you believe that the US government is in possession of alien technology and proof of advanced extraterrestrial life or not, this statement is completely true. Because in government speak when something is classified it's not being hidden it's just classified and therefore only the people with the need to know, need to know. Therefore it is correct to say they are not hiding it because it either does not exist or it is classified.
- krapp 3y ago
  The statement you're referring to is the title of the article, intended to briefly describe the conclusions reached within the AARO report. It is not a quote by the government or any government representative, nor a statement of policy, so interpreting it in terms of "government speak" is specious. The actual AARO report is far more explicit in its determinations, as mentioned in the body of the article, as well as the actual report linked therein[0]. [0]https://media.defense.gov/2024/Mar/08/2003409233/-1/-1/0/DOPSR-CLEARED-508-COMPLIANT-HRRV1-08-MAR-2024-FINAL.PDF https://media.defense.gov/2024/Mar/08/2003409233/-1/-1/0/DOP...
  - elmerfud 3y ago
    The report is far more detailed but it's still filled with government speak of saying something and nothing at the exact same time. Especially when you look at the number of the entries in the report talking about this was done to alleviate public fears (paraphrasing). So everything is still interpreted within that government speak of they are not actually unequivocally denying it exists. It looks like any testimony before Congress that I've ever seen. The answers are nebulous at best because they can speak to a specific thing such as this person attests to not having seen or experienced alien technology (again paraphrasing). But it is in no way an absolute denial. This would seem to be a trivial thing to put out a three line unequivocable denial that they are in possession of alien technology. But instead you get pages and pages and pages of government speak. It's as if it's the Iran-Contra affair or something. People saying I have no knowledge of this. But nobody's saying it didn't really happen.
    - krapp 3y ago
      It's a government report, created by the government for the government. Of course it's going to be more comprehensive than three lines, that's how government reports work. It's supposed to be comprehensive. But its conclusion seems to be as unequivocal a denial of the UFO narrative as is possible: To date, AARO has not discovered any empirical evidence that any sighting of a UAP represented off-world technology or the existence a classified program that had not been properly reported to Congress. Investigative efforts determined that most sightings were the result of misidentification of ordinary objects and phenomena. Although many UAP reports remain unsolved, AARO assesses that if additional, quality data were available, most of these cases also could be identified and resolved as ordinary objects or phenomena. They looked at all of the cases and all of the data that UFO advocates swore would provide irrefutable proof... and found nothing remarkable, and no reason to assume anything remarkable was likely given the margin of error and uncertainty. Maybe you won't believe that unless they keep looking until they come to the only conclusion you consider acceptable, but for most people this report and it's conclusions are unambiguous.
      - elmerfud 3y ago
        I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying here, so let me be clear. I don't believe that the US government is in actual possession of alien technology. I also don't believe that we have been visited by advanced aliens capable of interstellar travel. Everything we know about what it takes to achieve interstellar travel would force us to draw the conclusion that even if there are aliens that have visited us they would remain unseen and have the technology to ensure that happens along with any evidence. Because once you've mastered the obstacles to interstellar travel the removal of the evidence of visitation is trivial in comparison. My thing is that government reports are typical nebulous speak government reports. Even in this statement that you quoted this is specific to the AARO, and that's it. Everything that the government speaks is carefully crafted to be covered with plausible deniability. This report is more of the same it is plausibly deniable statements should irrefutable evidence to the contrary come out. Even if there was evidence that the AARO knew about they could possibly say it wasn't empirical in their judgment. A report on alien visitation should be something that they could speak an absolute certainty about and not do nebulous double speak. Even my original statement about if they knew there was classified information in this regard they could completely say in their report and be truthful there is no empirical evidence. Because with classified information you are not allowed to disclose it. We get from the movies that people say that's classified but in actuality classified information you're not even allowed to say that it's classified because that is an acknowledgment that information on it exists. So this report does nothing to dissuade the alien visitation theorists and for people who don't believe in alien visitations view it as a big waste of money.

5 points by c420 3y ago

No matter if you believe that the US government is in possession of alien technology and proof of advanced extraterrestrial life or not, this statement is completely true. Because in government speak when something is classified it's not being hidden it's just classified and therefore only the people with the need to know, need to know. Therefore it is correct to say they are not hiding it because it either does not exist or it is classified.

krapp 3y ago
The statement you're referring to is the title of the article, intended to briefly describe the conclusions reached within the AARO report. It is not a quote by the government or any government representative, nor a statement of policy, so interpreting it in terms of "government speak" is specious. The actual AARO report is far more explicit in its determinations, as mentioned in the body of the article, as well as the actual report linked therein[0]. [0]https://media.defense.gov/2024/Mar/08/2003409233/-1/-1/0/DOPSR-CLEARED-508-COMPLIANT-HRRV1-08-MAR-2024-FINAL.PDF https://media.defense.gov/2024/Mar/08/2003409233/-1/-1/0/DOP...
- elmerfud 3y ago
  The report is far more detailed but it's still filled with government speak of saying something and nothing at the exact same time. Especially when you look at the number of the entries in the report talking about this was done to alleviate public fears (paraphrasing). So everything is still interpreted within that government speak of they are not actually unequivocally denying it exists. It looks like any testimony before Congress that I've ever seen. The answers are nebulous at best because they can speak to a specific thing such as this person attests to not having seen or experienced alien technology (again paraphrasing). But it is in no way an absolute denial. This would seem to be a trivial thing to put out a three line unequivocable denial that they are in possession of alien technology. But instead you get pages and pages and pages of government speak. It's as if it's the Iran-Contra affair or something. People saying I have no knowledge of this. But nobody's saying it didn't really happen.
  - krapp 3y ago
    It's a government report, created by the government for the government. Of course it's going to be more comprehensive than three lines, that's how government reports work. It's supposed to be comprehensive. But its conclusion seems to be as unequivocal a denial of the UFO narrative as is possible: To date, AARO has not discovered any empirical evidence that any sighting of a UAP represented off-world technology or the existence a classified program that had not been properly reported to Congress. Investigative efforts determined that most sightings were the result of misidentification of ordinary objects and phenomena. Although many UAP reports remain unsolved, AARO assesses that if additional, quality data were available, most of these cases also could be identified and resolved as ordinary objects or phenomena. They looked at all of the cases and all of the data that UFO advocates swore would provide irrefutable proof... and found nothing remarkable, and no reason to assume anything remarkable was likely given the margin of error and uncertainty. Maybe you won't believe that unless they keep looking until they come to the only conclusion you consider acceptable, but for most people this report and it's conclusions are unambiguous.
    - elmerfud 3y ago
      I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying here, so let me be clear. I don't believe that the US government is in actual possession of alien technology. I also don't believe that we have been visited by advanced aliens capable of interstellar travel. Everything we know about what it takes to achieve interstellar travel would force us to draw the conclusion that even if there are aliens that have visited us they would remain unseen and have the technology to ensure that happens along with any evidence. Because once you've mastered the obstacles to interstellar travel the removal of the evidence of visitation is trivial in comparison. My thing is that government reports are typical nebulous speak government reports. Even in this statement that you quoted this is specific to the AARO, and that's it. Everything that the government speaks is carefully crafted to be covered with plausible deniability. This report is more of the same it is plausibly deniable statements should irrefutable evidence to the contrary come out. Even if there was evidence that the AARO knew about they could possibly say it wasn't empirical in their judgment. A report on alien visitation should be something that they could speak an absolute certainty about and not do nebulous double speak. Even my original statement about if they knew there was classified information in this regard they could completely say in their report and be truthful there is no empirical evidence. Because with classified information you are not allowed to disclose it. We get from the movies that people say that's classified but in actuality classified information you're not even allowed to say that it's classified because that is an acknowledgment that information on it exists. So this report does nothing to dissuade the alien visitation theorists and for people who don't believe in alien visitations view it as a big waste of money.