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Non profit / social focus person, media and entertainment person (that NYT suit might be followed by other m&e companies), direct to consumer + "real world digi

Non profit / social focus person, media and entertainment person (that NYT suit might be followed by other m&e companies), direct to consumer + "real world digitalization" person.

swatcoder 3y ago
Exactly. It's not random, it's revealing. You can see them starting to aim towards their first commercial bets beyond search and developer tools while still paying lip service to the safety cult.
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  I still don’t understand the safety concerns. I see a 0% chance that we can control a superhuman AI. What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? Alignment meaning that people would think of ants first instead of whatever their current ranking is. Maybe they’re in the top 10000 priorities
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  - pests 3y ago
    Can you describe how it would be uncontrollable to us? Everyone says this but no one has any details. Also, > What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? I think humans aren't _not_ aligned with ants. I don't go out searching to destroy all ants, or really worry at all, we just kinda coexist.
    - Atotalnoob 3y ago
      There are exterminators and ant infestations
    - jimkleiber 3y ago
      I'd say there's probably more human indifference to ants than anything. Maybe some hatred. Probably not a lot of love.
    - ecoquant 3y ago
      This is just typical doomer stupidity. Of course, no one goes around trying to stomp on every ant hill they can because ants aren't good at math. Not to mention, so much competition in humans is related to sexual competition. I suspect many doomers have no sex life and much of these ideas are projecting sexual frustrations on to AGI and AI. The computer/software is not going to build a harem and try to eliminate competitors to the harem. Assuming software possessing being and consciousness isn't complete nonsense, even assuming the software is not an asexual being, humans and software are not going to be competing for the same sexual patterns lol. This whole line of thought is just ridiculous.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? Well, the bees figured it out.
    - jimkleiber 3y ago
      Kinda. We've invented many things to control and/or kill bees.
      - coffeebeqn 3y ago
        We killed off a very large percentage of wild bees with pesticides and land “development” and keep one subspecies in artificial colonies and harvest their most prized outputs while controlling their rate of reproduction and even their queens. We also mass murder colonies when they are in any way inconvenient to a single human. If anyone hopes AI will treat people like we do other species they’re not thinking very hard. What’s the best case - dogs? They have basically no freedoms and we breed them for whatever funny qualities someone thinks might be amusing. A pack of wild/free dogs will be rounded up and killed if it inconveniences a single human
        jimkleiber 3y ago
        Yeah, I appreciate you saying this. I think we often overlook how our behaviors towards most animals seems similar to slavery. I think some people back in the day thought, "Oh, we treat animals like this, why not treat humans like this?" And I wonder what if we were to go the other way, "We don't treat humans like that, perhaps we should stop treating animals like that?" And that doesn't even get to the level of indifference we have towards plants. I don't really know "the answer," just reflecting on how we domesticate other beings and what might happen if some being or thing (e.g., AI) decided to domesticate (or enslave) us.
  - dhruval 3y ago
    There is a non-0% chance. You are looking at scenarios where evolution has selected for competition rather than nurturing. So as a counter example: A mom is a super intelligence compared to a baby. And yet does the babies bidding doing her sense best to make sense of the baby low fidelity crying. Intelligence in AI is even more alien, it doesn’t need to have any survival instinct of its own at all

Non profit / social focus person, media and entertainment person (that NYT suit might be followed by other m&e companies), direct to consumer + "real world digitalization" person.

swatcoder 3y ago

Exactly. It's not random, it's revealing. You can see them starting to aim towards their first commercial bets beyond search and developer tools while still paying lip service to the safety cult.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
I still don’t understand the safety concerns. I see a 0% chance that we can control a superhuman AI. What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? Alignment meaning that people would think of ants first instead of whatever their current ranking is. Maybe they’re in the top 10000 priorities
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- pests 3y ago
  Can you describe how it would be uncontrollable to us? Everyone says this but no one has any details. Also, > What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? I think humans aren't _not_ aligned with ants. I don't go out searching to destroy all ants, or really worry at all, we just kinda coexist.
  - Atotalnoob 3y ago
    There are exterminators and ant infestations
  - jimkleiber 3y ago
    I'd say there's probably more human indifference to ants than anything. Maybe some hatred. Probably not a lot of love.
  - ecoquant 3y ago
    This is just typical doomer stupidity. Of course, no one goes around trying to stomp on every ant hill they can because ants aren't good at math. Not to mention, so much competition in humans is related to sexual competition. I suspect many doomers have no sex life and much of these ideas are projecting sexual frustrations on to AGI and AI. The computer/software is not going to build a harem and try to eliminate competitors to the harem. Assuming software possessing being and consciousness isn't complete nonsense, even assuming the software is not an asexual being, humans and software are not going to be competing for the same sexual patterns lol. This whole line of thought is just ridiculous.
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? Well, the bees figured it out.
  - jimkleiber 3y ago
    Kinda. We've invented many things to control and/or kill bees.
    - coffeebeqn 3y ago
      We killed off a very large percentage of wild bees with pesticides and land “development” and keep one subspecies in artificial colonies and harvest their most prized outputs while controlling their rate of reproduction and even their queens. We also mass murder colonies when they are in any way inconvenient to a single human. If anyone hopes AI will treat people like we do other species they’re not thinking very hard. What’s the best case - dogs? They have basically no freedoms and we breed them for whatever funny qualities someone thinks might be amusing. A pack of wild/free dogs will be rounded up and killed if it inconveniences a single human
      - jimkleiber 3y ago
        Yeah, I appreciate you saying this. I think we often overlook how our behaviors towards most animals seems similar to slavery. I think some people back in the day thought, "Oh, we treat animals like this, why not treat humans like this?" And I wonder what if we were to go the other way, "We don't treat humans like that, perhaps we should stop treating animals like that?" And that doesn't even get to the level of indifference we have towards plants. I don't really know "the answer," just reflecting on how we domesticate other beings and what might happen if some being or thing (e.g., AI) decided to domesticate (or enslave) us.
- dhruval 3y ago
  There is a non-0% chance. You are looking at scenarios where evolution has selected for competition rather than nurturing. So as a counter example: A mom is a super intelligence compared to a baby. And yet does the babies bidding doing her sense best to make sense of the baby low fidelity crying. Intelligence in AI is even more alien, it doesn’t need to have any survival instinct of its own at all