3 ms·

Apple's statement: “Following conversations with Epic, they have committed to follow the rules, including our DMA policies. As a result, Epic Sweden AB has bee

by quitit 3y ago

Apple's statement: “Following conversations with Epic, they have committed to follow the rules, including our DMA policies. As a result, Epic Sweden AB has been permitted to re-sign the developer agreement and accepted into the Apple Developer Program.” If you think the EU got their shit together in 2 days, you're day dreaming. Phil Schiller invited Epic to make assurances that they'd follow the terms of the agreement. Epic did. The EU didn't even have their shoes on. You can safely ignore Tim Sweeney's twitter chest beating - it's marketing.

j_maffe 3y ago
All sides are marketing and trying to maintain an image. It's up to you to figure out what's actually happening without bias.
- quitit 3y ago
  Epic led with an ad campaign while Apple stayed silent. Then did it again by publishing their correspondence with Apple. Tell me more.
  - j_maffe 3y ago
    Yes, Epic "led". So what? Of course the one in the favorable position would like to minimize talk about anything that would disrupt the position.
    - quitit 3y ago
      You 1 minute ago: > All sides are marketing You 10 seconds ago: Nah, only one side is marketing.
      - arrrg 3y ago
        Marketing isn’t limited to ads. Obviously.
        quitit 3y ago
        Correct! Such as Tweets: https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic Blogposts: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/free-fortnite-faq https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/free-fortnite-faq Press junkets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsNf5bA1bU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsNf5bA1bU World-wide ad campaigns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPn_PGuYesw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPn_PGuYesw In-game events: https://www.polygon.com/fortnite/2020/8/13/21367955/fortnite-apple-party-royale-epic-games-nineteen-eighty-1984-app-store https://www.polygon.com/fortnite/2020/8/13/21367955/fortnite... So how have Epic performed when the facts were before a judge? hmmm. Looks like the marketing worked on some.
JanSt 3y ago
Breton posted on X that his team would look into this case with high priority yesterday. Apple noticed they are about to get a beating and decided to handle this case proactively before they get fined and regulated even stronger
- quitit 3y ago
  Yep I'm aware of the tweet.
  - JanSt 3y ago
    He now confirmed contact "I take note with satisfaction that following our contacts Apple decided to backtrack its decision on Epic exclusion." From Day 2, #DMA is already showing very concrete results! https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1766167580497117464 https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1766167580497117464
agust 3y ago
The EU reacted immediately and asked Apple for clarification. That means, they reminded Apple that the law is the law, which they seemed to have forgotten. You're the one dreaming if you think Apple got their shot together by themselves.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
sircastor 3y ago
I agree. I feel like this was really a muscle flex from Apple in terms of preventing shenanigans. The most critical part of this for Apple is the message to others who are thinking about opening a app marketplace: - You're still going to be paying us our 27% - You screw around and we will clip your wings. Incidentally, if you don't like the rules Apple has set up, start pushing for a law that you do want. If you happen to be in the US, actually write your representatives rather than just whine about it online to a bunch of other people.
margana 3y ago
Epic already made assurances that they'd follow the terms of the agreement before their account was terminated. It did it very professionally and concisely. Apple basically responded with "we wanted a 10-page essay equivalent to grovelling and begging in dogeza position instead of a professional response" and terminated their account. There is zero evidence of Epic doing anything on their part after that. There is, however, evidence of the EU Commission warning (if you can't parse "Under the DMA, there is no room for threats by gatekeepers to silence developers" as a warning, you may need to improve your functional reading skills) Apple and inquiring for explanation. Tim Sweeney isn't chest beating. He is attributing this development to the EU. Chest beating would mean attributing this development to their own actions, which he is not claiming at all.

by quitit 3y ago

j_maffe 3y ago

All sides are marketing and trying to maintain an image. It's up to you to figure out what's actually happening without bias.

quitit 3y ago
Epic led with an ad campaign while Apple stayed silent. Then did it again by publishing their correspondence with Apple. Tell me more.
- j_maffe 3y ago
  Yes, Epic "led". So what? Of course the one in the favorable position would like to minimize talk about anything that would disrupt the position.
  - quitit 3y ago
    You 1 minute ago: > All sides are marketing You 10 seconds ago: Nah, only one side is marketing.
    - arrrg 3y ago
      Marketing isn’t limited to ads. Obviously.
      - quitit 3y ago
        Correct! Such as Tweets: https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic Blogposts: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/free-fortnite-faq https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/free-fortnite-faq Press junkets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsNf5bA1bU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKsNf5bA1bU World-wide ad campaigns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPn_PGuYesw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPn_PGuYesw In-game events: https://www.polygon.com/fortnite/2020/8/13/21367955/fortnite-apple-party-royale-epic-games-nineteen-eighty-1984-app-store https://www.polygon.com/fortnite/2020/8/13/21367955/fortnite... So how have Epic performed when the facts were before a judge? hmmm. Looks like the marketing worked on some.

JanSt 3y ago

Breton posted on X that his team would look into this case with high priority yesterday. Apple noticed they are about to get a beating and decided to handle this case proactively before they get fined and regulated even stronger

quitit 3y ago
Yep I'm aware of the tweet.
- JanSt 3y ago
  He now confirmed contact "I take note with satisfaction that following our contacts Apple decided to backtrack its decision on Epic exclusion." From Day 2, #DMA is already showing very concrete results! https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1766167580497117464 https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1766167580497117464

agust 3y ago

The EU reacted immediately and asked Apple for clarification. That means, they reminded Apple that the law is the law, which they seemed to have forgotten. You're the one dreaming if you think Apple got their shot together by themselves.

deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

sircastor 3y ago

I agree. I feel like this was really a muscle flex from Apple in terms of preventing shenanigans. The most critical part of this for Apple is the message to others who are thinking about opening a app marketplace: - You're still going to be paying us our 27% - You screw around and we will clip your wings. Incidentally, if you don't like the rules Apple has set up, start pushing for a law that you do want. If you happen to be in the US, actually write your representatives rather than just whine about it online to a bunch of other people.

margana 3y ago

Epic already made assurances that they'd follow the terms of the agreement before their account was terminated. It did it very professionally and concisely. Apple basically responded with "we wanted a 10-page essay equivalent to grovelling and begging in dogeza position instead of a professional response" and terminated their account. There is zero evidence of Epic doing anything on their part after that. There is, however, evidence of the EU Commission warning (if you can't parse "Under the DMA, there is no room for threats by gatekeepers to silence developers" as a warning, you may need to improve your functional reading skills) Apple and inquiring for explanation. Tim Sweeney isn't chest beating. He is attributing this development to the EU. Chest beating would mean attributing this development to their own actions, which he is not claiming at all.