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In my opinion the devil's in the details. American pastas are more often than not highly processed components that have lost their nutritional value then have

In my opinion the devil's in the details. American pastas are more often than not highly processed components that have lost their nutritional value then have been enriched with low quality multi-vitamins. My understanding is that this is less common in say Italy where it is more likely to find things made from scratch.

bobthepanda 3y ago
american bread is also very, very sugary compared to European bread. A lot of America is not getting regular bread from bakeries but from the supermarket. the typical american bread is white sandwich bread which also does not help.
- dangerwill 3y ago
  This is true, and as a recent convert, I would like to recommend that other Americans check out their local farmers market to see if there is a baker that sets up shop. The difference between even "fancy" grocery store packaged bread and actual fresh bread is enough that I now consider grocery store bread to be essentially a different (worse) food
NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
>American pastas are more often than not highly processed components that have lost their nutritional value then have been enriched with low quality multi-vitamins. What's the source of that claim? America's most popular pasta brand is Barilla (also probably Italy's most popular brand), and that's made with exactly the same ingredients, process and machinery in the US as it is in Italy.
- LinuxBender 3y ago
  An unbiased double-blind peer reviewed paid study? I doubt it exists. That said there is no denying that the EU bans food additives that are not scientifically proven to be safe for human consumption whereas the US allows food additives unless they are proven unsafe which runs into its own issues with conflicts of interest in the FDA but that is a discussion in and of itself. Many artificial additives and preservatives are added to US food for the sake of flavor and product shelf life, not nutritional value.
  - NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
    No, I mean, literally "where did you even read that?" or is it just something you assumed to be true - i.e. you made it up?
    - LinuxBender 3y ago
      No, I mean, literally "where did you even read that?" or is it just something you assumed to be true - i.e. you made it up? I have followed health and fitness sites, nutrition sites and discussions by scientists and doctors for the better part of the last couple decades in response to my own medical issues that doctors could not help with. As I state in my profile I do not provide links. If a topic is interesting to you then I would suggest researching it so that you can decide for yourself which sources are bribed and which are legit. All of the information is well within reach. nih.gov, healthline, even youtube have a handful of decent scientists and doctors to follow. If you are suggesting I am not telling the truth then it is not possible for us to have a good faith discussion on this topic.
      - mastermedo 3y ago
        This is not how discussions work. A: I think X. B: Interesting, why do you think that? A: I have 10 years of thinking about it. B: I have 10 years of thinking about it and have the opposite opinion. A: If you're suggesting I'm not telling the truth then it's not possible for us to have a good faith discussion on this topic. I might've made a fallacy, but this is what popped to mind when I read this comment.
      - NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
        Look, you made a comment that’s specific to “American pasta” that seems to lack a factual foundation. I’m not saying you’re lying, I’m just saying you’re wrong and that it seems like you over generalized.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  I haven’t heard this about pasta, but I have heard this about bread. Most Americans do not buy ciabatta from a baker, they buy white American sandwich bread from the supermarket, which is very sugary. Two slices of Wonder Bread contain 5g of added sugar. https://images.app.goo.gl/qLE4rqLjfUDwd3ew8 https://images.app.goo.gl/qLE4rqLjfUDwd3ew8

bobthepanda 3y ago

american bread is also very, very sugary compared to European bread. A lot of America is not getting regular bread from bakeries but from the supermarket. the typical american bread is white sandwich bread which also does not help.

dangerwill 3y ago
This is true, and as a recent convert, I would like to recommend that other Americans check out their local farmers market to see if there is a baker that sets up shop. The difference between even "fancy" grocery store packaged bread and actual fresh bread is enough that I now consider grocery store bread to be essentially a different (worse) food

NovemberWhiskey 3y ago

>American pastas are more often than not highly processed components that have lost their nutritional value then have been enriched with low quality multi-vitamins. What's the source of that claim? America's most popular pasta brand is Barilla (also probably Italy's most popular brand), and that's made with exactly the same ingredients, process and machinery in the US as it is in Italy.

LinuxBender 3y ago
An unbiased double-blind peer reviewed paid study? I doubt it exists. That said there is no denying that the EU bans food additives that are not scientifically proven to be safe for human consumption whereas the US allows food additives unless they are proven unsafe which runs into its own issues with conflicts of interest in the FDA but that is a discussion in and of itself. Many artificial additives and preservatives are added to US food for the sake of flavor and product shelf life, not nutritional value.
- NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
  No, I mean, literally "where did you even read that?" or is it just something you assumed to be true - i.e. you made it up?
  - LinuxBender 3y ago
    No, I mean, literally "where did you even read that?" or is it just something you assumed to be true - i.e. you made it up? I have followed health and fitness sites, nutrition sites and discussions by scientists and doctors for the better part of the last couple decades in response to my own medical issues that doctors could not help with. As I state in my profile I do not provide links. If a topic is interesting to you then I would suggest researching it so that you can decide for yourself which sources are bribed and which are legit. All of the information is well within reach. nih.gov, healthline, even youtube have a handful of decent scientists and doctors to follow. If you are suggesting I am not telling the truth then it is not possible for us to have a good faith discussion on this topic.
    - mastermedo 3y ago
      This is not how discussions work. A: I think X. B: Interesting, why do you think that? A: I have 10 years of thinking about it. B: I have 10 years of thinking about it and have the opposite opinion. A: If you're suggesting I'm not telling the truth then it's not possible for us to have a good faith discussion on this topic. I might've made a fallacy, but this is what popped to mind when I read this comment.
    - NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
      Look, you made a comment that’s specific to “American pasta” that seems to lack a factual foundation. I’m not saying you’re lying, I’m just saying you’re wrong and that it seems like you over generalized.
bobthepanda 3y ago
I haven’t heard this about pasta, but I have heard this about bread. Most Americans do not buy ciabatta from a baker, they buy white American sandwich bread from the supermarket, which is very sugary. Two slices of Wonder Bread contain 5g of added sugar. https://images.app.goo.gl/qLE4rqLjfUDwd3ew8 https://images.app.goo.gl/qLE4rqLjfUDwd3ew8