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ICJ was not asked to convict Israel of committing genocide. That was not in the initial ask. The ask was to force Israel to stop its military operation. The I

ICJ was not asked to convict Israel of committing genocide. That was not in the initial ask. The ask was to force Israel to stop its military operation. The ICJ's provisional verdict was _actually pretty bad_ for Israel: "The aforementioned facts and circumstances are sufficient to conclude that at least some rights of the Palestinians to be protected from acts of genocide and related prohibited acts in Article 3 of the Genocide Convention, and the rights of South Africa to seek protection of these rights." Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/icj-president-cites-inflammatory-comments-by-gallant-herzog-in-genocide-case-ruling/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/icj-president-c...

fny 3y ago
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- aaomidi 3y ago
  No, it again wasn't. It was to __prevent genocide__, not to determine guilt of committing genocide. This is going to take years, and it's going to be ongoing into the future. It is not going to happen while an incident is happening. The ICJ explicitly said that there's enough evidence to merit this case.
  - fny 3y ago
    Just 3 quotes from South Africa's case which I linked above: "South Africa’s case is that those acts and omissions are genocidal in character, as they are committed with the requisite specific intent (dolus specialis) to destroy Palestinians in Gaza as a part of the broader Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group." "South Africa is acutely aware of the particular weight of responsibility in initiating proceedings against Israel for violations of the Genocide Convention. However, South Africa is also acutely aware of its own obligation — as a State party to the Genocide Convention — to prevent genocide. Israel’s acts and omissions in relation to Palestinians violate the Genocide Convention." " More gravely still, Israel has engaged in, is engaging in and risks further engaging in genocidal acts against the Palestinian people in Gaza. Those acts include killing them, causing them serious mental and bodily harm and deliberately inflicting on them conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction as a group."
egberts1 3y ago
ICJ didn't ask to stop anything but it did ORDER Israel to do the following: https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/news/explaining-international-court-justices-ruling-israel-and-gaza#:~:text=Specifically%2C%20Israel%20must%20conduct%20the,does%20not%20commit%20%5Bgenocide%5D%3B%E2%80%9D https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/news/explaining-int...

fny 3y ago

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aaomidi 3y ago
No, it again wasn't. It was to __prevent genocide__, not to determine guilt of committing genocide. This is going to take years, and it's going to be ongoing into the future. It is not going to happen while an incident is happening. The ICJ explicitly said that there's enough evidence to merit this case.
- fny 3y ago
  Just 3 quotes from South Africa's case which I linked above: "South Africa’s case is that those acts and omissions are genocidal in character, as they are committed with the requisite specific intent (dolus specialis) to destroy Palestinians in Gaza as a part of the broader Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group." "South Africa is acutely aware of the particular weight of responsibility in initiating proceedings against Israel for violations of the Genocide Convention. However, South Africa is also acutely aware of its own obligation — as a State party to the Genocide Convention — to prevent genocide. Israel’s acts and omissions in relation to Palestinians violate the Genocide Convention." " More gravely still, Israel has engaged in, is engaging in and risks further engaging in genocidal acts against the Palestinian people in Gaza. Those acts include killing them, causing them serious mental and bodily harm and deliberately inflicting on them conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction as a group."

egberts1 3y ago

ICJ didn't ask to stop anything but it did ORDER Israel to do the following: https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/news/explaining-international-court-justices-ruling-israel-and-gaza#:~:text=Specifically%2C%20Israel%20must%20conduct%20the,does%20not%20commit%20%5Bgenocide%5D%3B%E2%80%9D https://global.upenn.edu/perryworldhouse/news/explaining-int...