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People in the industry think that doctoral advisors are something like bosses in companies. They aren't. A Ph.D. is an all-or-nothing experience. When leaving o

by stared 3y ago

People in the industry think that doctoral advisors are something like bosses in companies. They aren't. A Ph.D. is an all-or-nothing experience. When leaving on bad terms, you not only lose a few years of your life, but it is likely to ruin your career. With very competitive hires, an anti-recommendation might be a kiss of death. Sometimes, this power balance pushes people over the edge. There is a case of a PhD student who, after a struggle with his PI wanting him to publish fraudulent results, had a breakdown and took his own life. https://huixiangvoice.medium.com/the-hidden-story-behind-the-suicide-phd-candidate-huixiang-chen-236cd39f79d3 https://huixiangvoice.medium.com/the-hidden-story-behind-the...

cma 3y ago
For foreign PhD students their kids can be ripped out of school and they and their family deported if they can't get another advisor within 30-60 days depending on the visa.
- BeetleB 3y ago
  Nope. A student's ability to stay in the US (along with his dependents) is by remaining a student at the university (i.e. registering for a full time load each semester). They're not dependent on whether they have funding/assistantship, or whether they have an advisor.
  - HarryHirsch 3y ago
    If you are a doctoral student you need a new advisor to remain in status. This is playing out at my institution right now, a female PhD student had had enough of the sexual advancements of her advisor, who is a favourite of the departmental chair, so she filed a Title IX complaint and needed a new advisor. There was exactly one faculty member who was in a position to take her on, an established figure close to retirement age. US immigration law is fucked up beyond reasonable.
    - BeetleB 3y ago
      What is going on is this: To remain in the US on a student visa, you need to be "in status". The government has rules on what that is, and mostly it is that you continue to register for a full load. I do not think the government has specified additional requirements. However, each university has an international programs office and they are required to specify for each international student whether the person is compliant with the university's guidelines. In your university's case, that office may have decided that "Hey, if you're a PhD student, you can't go too long without an advisor, because that would mean you're not making progress towards a PhD." I've seen them say similar things if it's taking too long to get a degree (e.g. over 6 years for undergrad or 8 years for PhD). Or if the GPA is too low and you're on probation Typically, these rules apply to all students, and not just international ones. It's essentially the university saying "You're about to be kicked out/expelled, so we can't tell the immigration folks that you are progressing towards your degree" Still, I really doubt your university has a rule specifying only 30-60 days to find a new PhD advisor. To give you an idea, in many sciences, it's common that you don't have a thesis advisor until after your first year (you focus in the first year on passing your qualifying exams, and only once you pass it are professors interested in taking you on). If indeed your university is enforcing a 30-60 day rule, it's a really crappy university. TLDR: The law doesn't require it, but each university has its own policies.
      - HarryHirsch 3y ago
        It's essentially the university saying "You're about to be kicked out/expelled, so we can't tell the immigration folks that you are progressing towards your degree" Yes, exactly that, it was something along the lines of "you are not sleeping with me, consequently you are not progressing to your degree".

by stared 3y ago

cma 3y ago

For foreign PhD students their kids can be ripped out of school and they and their family deported if they can't get another advisor within 30-60 days depending on the visa.

BeetleB 3y ago
Nope. A student's ability to stay in the US (along with his dependents) is by remaining a student at the university (i.e. registering for a full time load each semester). They're not dependent on whether they have funding/assistantship, or whether they have an advisor.
- HarryHirsch 3y ago
  If you are a doctoral student you need a new advisor to remain in status. This is playing out at my institution right now, a female PhD student had had enough of the sexual advancements of her advisor, who is a favourite of the departmental chair, so she filed a Title IX complaint and needed a new advisor. There was exactly one faculty member who was in a position to take her on, an established figure close to retirement age. US immigration law is fucked up beyond reasonable.
  - BeetleB 3y ago
    What is going on is this: To remain in the US on a student visa, you need to be "in status". The government has rules on what that is, and mostly it is that you continue to register for a full load. I do not think the government has specified additional requirements. However, each university has an international programs office and they are required to specify for each international student whether the person is compliant with the university's guidelines. In your university's case, that office may have decided that "Hey, if you're a PhD student, you can't go too long without an advisor, because that would mean you're not making progress towards a PhD." I've seen them say similar things if it's taking too long to get a degree (e.g. over 6 years for undergrad or 8 years for PhD). Or if the GPA is too low and you're on probation Typically, these rules apply to all students, and not just international ones. It's essentially the university saying "You're about to be kicked out/expelled, so we can't tell the immigration folks that you are progressing towards your degree" Still, I really doubt your university has a rule specifying only 30-60 days to find a new PhD advisor. To give you an idea, in many sciences, it's common that you don't have a thesis advisor until after your first year (you focus in the first year on passing your qualifying exams, and only once you pass it are professors interested in taking you on). If indeed your university is enforcing a 30-60 day rule, it's a really crappy university. TLDR: The law doesn't require it, but each university has its own policies.
    - HarryHirsch 3y ago
      It's essentially the university saying "You're about to be kicked out/expelled, so we can't tell the immigration folks that you are progressing towards your degree" Yes, exactly that, it was something along the lines of "you are not sleeping with me, consequently you are not progressing to your degree".