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One way to reduce demand is to ban Airbnb, which has happened in some markets. Unlike residents, tourists do not vote, and are not really entitled to cheap acc

One way to reduce demand is to ban Airbnb, which has happened in some markets. Unlike residents, tourists do not vote, and are not really entitled to cheap accomodations wherever they go.

pitaj 3y ago
There's little to no evidence that banning short-term rentals materially decreases rental or housing prices.
doctorpangloss 3y ago
> Unlike residents, tourists do not vote... Do landlords vote? Are they residents? Many normal people are landlords. You will never be a billionaire. Some people will never be guilded professionals or make it to the Ivy League. Many of the normal people who "make it" in life will be landlords. Everyone's income is someone else's expense. In San Francisco, where I live, the idea to drive out the "techies" couldn't be more boneheaded. Where are those agitators now? Careful what you wish for. I don't know how to convince people to lean less into the aesthetics of a political position. If you feel like you are saying something that boils down to, "the right people get all the things, and the wrong people got nothing," it's an easy position to take when charts are going up, when interest rates are low, and when you happen to be part of the group of "right people."
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  While a lot of people are landlords, most properties on free AirBnB markets are hosted by professional, multi-property landlords, and I don’t personally think that creating a new class of feudal landlords is a great idea. My local area simply put in the restriction that only one property can be listed on AirBnB by one person, and that the property must be the person’s primary tax residence, and so now the local market has nearly entirely dried up even though that was allegedly the original purpose of AirBnB.
  - danlugo92 3y ago
    > most properties on free AirBnB markets are hosted by professional, multi-property landlords You cannot know whether this is true for all tourist/nomad hotspots (by being a hotspot they're actually suffering), e.g. Portugal/Colombia/Vietnam. However... I still support whatever the people in those cities decide... so if they decide "no tourism" then they should be heard...
j45 3y ago
Airbnb isn’t really that cheap anymore especially for full places
- boringg 3y ago
  Yeah I barely use airbnb - its almost always more expensive than alternatives. I do use it for discovery then go off platform for better spots. It is a premium service provider with a mixed quality outcomes and airbnb rakes in a lot of fees. That said, the defense of this thread is entertaining. I don't know how anyone can honestly say that airbnb doesn't impact housing supply. Its the equivalent to saying that the earth is flat.
- oven9342 3y ago
  airbnb is great if you have like 10 or 20 travelling pals. You can rent a flat for everyone instead of a room for each one or pair of them
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    renting a flat is great. i don't personally think that airbnb is a particularly great place for doing so, it's not the only place to do so
- danlugo92 3y ago
  > isn’t really that cheap Exactly! It contributes to rising rent costs... Now, FWIW, I prefer the adapt-or-die mentality, so I'm not anti-tourism, but if a majority of people in a certain place decide "no tourism", then hey more power to the people, they should decide whether they will accept tourism or not, not the tax-dollar-receivers...
Chris2048 3y ago
> tourists do not vote Airbnb landlords do though. As do business owners catering to tourism. > are not really entitled to cheap accommodations Are locals "entitled" to this either? If accommodation is too expensive, it'll simply reduce tourism, and tourism money..
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  Tourism jobs are generally low-wage menial work, and tourists also have the effect of driving local prices up. Particularly the kind of tourism that would benefit from high AirBnB availability. Last I checked, locals have the right to vote, and tourists do not.
- danlugo92 3y ago
  > As do business owners catering to tourism. Sad thing (for the people against tourism, which might be the majority in certain places...)is that those don't vote... (1 person 1 vote) but they do lobby/bribes... Again, I'm just saying listen to what the majority want... you know... good old school democracy...
rufus_foreman 3y ago
>> tourists do not vote Almost everyone is a tourist at some point.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  That doesn’t give them voting privileges or say in those places’ policies though.

One way to reduce demand is to ban Airbnb, which has happened in some markets. Unlike residents, tourists do not vote, and are not really entitled to cheap accomodations wherever they go.

pitaj 3y ago

There's little to no evidence that banning short-term rentals materially decreases rental or housing prices.

doctorpangloss 3y ago

> Unlike residents, tourists do not vote... Do landlords vote? Are they residents? Many normal people are landlords. You will never be a billionaire. Some people will never be guilded professionals or make it to the Ivy League. Many of the normal people who "make it" in life will be landlords. Everyone's income is someone else's expense. In San Francisco, where I live, the idea to drive out the "techies" couldn't be more boneheaded. Where are those agitators now? Careful what you wish for. I don't know how to convince people to lean less into the aesthetics of a political position. If you feel like you are saying something that boils down to, "the right people get all the things, and the wrong people got nothing," it's an easy position to take when charts are going up, when interest rates are low, and when you happen to be part of the group of "right people."

bobthepanda 3y ago
While a lot of people are landlords, most properties on free AirBnB markets are hosted by professional, multi-property landlords, and I don’t personally think that creating a new class of feudal landlords is a great idea. My local area simply put in the restriction that only one property can be listed on AirBnB by one person, and that the property must be the person’s primary tax residence, and so now the local market has nearly entirely dried up even though that was allegedly the original purpose of AirBnB.
- danlugo92 3y ago
  > most properties on free AirBnB markets are hosted by professional, multi-property landlords You cannot know whether this is true for all tourist/nomad hotspots (by being a hotspot they're actually suffering), e.g. Portugal/Colombia/Vietnam. However... I still support whatever the people in those cities decide... so if they decide "no tourism" then they should be heard...

j45 3y ago

Airbnb isn’t really that cheap anymore especially for full places

boringg 3y ago
Yeah I barely use airbnb - its almost always more expensive than alternatives. I do use it for discovery then go off platform for better spots. It is a premium service provider with a mixed quality outcomes and airbnb rakes in a lot of fees. That said, the defense of this thread is entertaining. I don't know how anyone can honestly say that airbnb doesn't impact housing supply. Its the equivalent to saying that the earth is flat.
oven9342 3y ago
airbnb is great if you have like 10 or 20 travelling pals. You can rent a flat for everyone instead of a room for each one or pair of them
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  renting a flat is great. i don't personally think that airbnb is a particularly great place for doing so, it's not the only place to do so
danlugo92 3y ago
> isn’t really that cheap Exactly! It contributes to rising rent costs... Now, FWIW, I prefer the adapt-or-die mentality, so I'm not anti-tourism, but if a majority of people in a certain place decide "no tourism", then hey more power to the people, they should decide whether they will accept tourism or not, not the tax-dollar-receivers...

Chris2048 3y ago

> tourists do not vote Airbnb landlords do though. As do business owners catering to tourism. > are not really entitled to cheap accommodations Are locals "entitled" to this either? If accommodation is too expensive, it'll simply reduce tourism, and tourism money..

bobthepanda 3y ago
Tourism jobs are generally low-wage menial work, and tourists also have the effect of driving local prices up. Particularly the kind of tourism that would benefit from high AirBnB availability. Last I checked, locals have the right to vote, and tourists do not.
danlugo92 3y ago
> As do business owners catering to tourism. Sad thing (for the people against tourism, which might be the majority in certain places...)is that those don't vote... (1 person 1 vote) but they do lobby/bribes... Again, I'm just saying listen to what the majority want... you know... good old school democracy...

rufus_foreman 3y ago

>> tourists do not vote Almost everyone is a tourist at some point.

bobthepanda 3y ago
That doesn’t give them voting privileges or say in those places’ policies though.