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The comment you're responding to wasn't written by "the rust community", it was written by kerkeslager, who has written a bunch of C programs, but has found tha

by twic 3y ago

The comment you're responding to wasn't written by "the rust community", it was written by kerkeslager, who has written a bunch of C programs, but has found that the Rust build tools are better. There is nothing new or sad about it.

lelanthran 3y ago
> The comment you're responding to wasn't written by "the rust community" This makes no sense. Almost by definition, anyone derailing a discussion to mention $FOO is a member of the $FOO community. It's disingenuous to suggest that all derailment is due to non-$FOO advocates. > There is nothing new or sad about it. The phenomenon of persistent derailment is, in fact, something that I had not seen until Rust arrived. It is new, it's limited only to Rust advocates as a group, and I find it sad.
- jcranmer 3y ago
  > The phenomenon of persistent derailment is, in fact, something that I had not seen until Rust arrived. Apparently you have never seen a thread on X11, which almost invariably is derailed by a discussion about Wayland. Or in general, any discussion on Wayland or systemd is derailed into a rant how they're the worst software ever developed or something, to a tedious degree that makes me long for the Rewrite-it-in-Rust comments because at least those sometime make compelling points.
- lelandbatey 3y ago
  I also find that Go has delightful build tooling; running 'go build ./...' is nearly the universal build tool. There, now we're not limited to just Rust advocates, so I hope you no longer find this thread sad : )
  - kerkeslager 3y ago
    Agreed, go has good build tooling. And pretty good tooling in general. And if you search my post history, you'll find some posts that make it clear I despise go. As it turns out, languages aren't religions--you can like a language and admit it has flaws, and you can hate a language and admit it has strengths.
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
It turns out, the rust community is made up of individuals. No one made the claim that there's some single entity called the rust community that's doing this. It's the individuals w/i that community doing it. so yes, you pointed out the moniker of the individual doing this. It doesn't obviate the point.

by twic 3y ago

lelanthran 3y ago

> The comment you're responding to wasn't written by "the rust community" This makes no sense. Almost by definition, anyone derailing a discussion to mention $FOO is a member of the $FOO community. It's disingenuous to suggest that all derailment is due to non-$FOO advocates. > There is nothing new or sad about it. The phenomenon of persistent derailment is, in fact, something that I had not seen until Rust arrived. It is new, it's limited only to Rust advocates as a group, and I find it sad.

jcranmer 3y ago
> The phenomenon of persistent derailment is, in fact, something that I had not seen until Rust arrived. Apparently you have never seen a thread on X11, which almost invariably is derailed by a discussion about Wayland. Or in general, any discussion on Wayland or systemd is derailed into a rant how they're the worst software ever developed or something, to a tedious degree that makes me long for the Rewrite-it-in-Rust comments because at least those sometime make compelling points.
lelandbatey 3y ago
I also find that Go has delightful build tooling; running 'go build ./...' is nearly the universal build tool. There, now we're not limited to just Rust advocates, so I hope you no longer find this thread sad : )
- kerkeslager 3y ago
  Agreed, go has good build tooling. And pretty good tooling in general. And if you search my post history, you'll find some posts that make it clear I despise go. As it turns out, languages aren't religions--you can like a language and admit it has flaws, and you can hate a language and admit it has strengths.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago

It turns out, the rust community is made up of individuals. No one made the claim that there's some single entity called the rust community that's doing this. It's the individuals w/i that community doing it. so yes, you pointed out the moniker of the individual doing this. It doesn't obviate the point.