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I mention Apartheid South Africa three times in this thread. Once to demonstrate that USA withdrawing support can mean an end to an oppressive system and libera
by runarberg 3y ago
I mention Apartheid South Africa three times in this thread. Once to demonstrate that USA withdrawing support can mean an end to an oppressive system and liberating their peoples (as opposed to turning it into a pariah state akin to North Korea). And here I mention it as point of comparison to which values Israel might hold (as opposed to the vague unspecified “western values” my parent was talking about). Later down I mention Apartheid South Africa for the third time to reinforce that USA’s values (should) support freedom from oppression.
Nowhere am I comparing the rights of the victims of various forms of Apartheid.
Here in particular I’m trying to get my parent to explain what they mean by “western values” and am using Apartheid South Africa as an example of what I believe the values of Israel resemble.
- tptacek 3y agoYou wrote "Israel shares a lot of values with Apartheid South Africa". No, not so much. If you want to call Israel an apartheid state, because of its occupation of the Gaza strip, I won't quibble. But no, I don't think you can make that specific comparison work.
- runarberg 3y agoI give three examples: > It does not offer equal status to all its subjects, it maintains a prolonged occupation, it is highly militaristic. These are all true points. And makes of kind of unique, which I would argue is a true display of values.
- tptacek 3y agoLet's not find creative ways to argue. If what I said was banal or didn't intersect your argument, we don't have a dispute. I took you to be saying something, but it sounds like you're saying you didn't mean that. Fair enough!