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From the FAQ, https://annas-archive.org/donation_faq https://annas-archive.org/donation_faq >If you don’t like how we operate our project, go run your own shad

From the FAQ, https://annas-archive.org/donation_faq https://annas-archive.org/donation_faq >If you don’t like how we operate our project, go run your own shadow library! All our code and data are open source, so nothing is stopping you. ;) Or be more specific what doesn't sit right with you.

lannisterstark 3y ago
This is such a childish response to the comment. "wah if you criticize us go do your own thing we really dislike taking feedback" is absurdly naive.
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  On the one side, we have a group of people who have poured untold hours and cash into a project that provides almost no benefit to themselves, on the other side we have a group of people that stumble across said project and say "wah you should do things the way I want." Which side seems childish?
crtasm 3y ago
I'm unsure what quoting that to me achieves? What are your thoughts on their approach to getting donations (monthly subscriptions)?
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  They need to fund the operation somehow, if you think you can fund it without aggressively pushing for donations you're free to create your own library.
- datadrivenangel 3y ago
  If you don't like their approach, you can host your own shadow library. It's all open source. :)
  - crtasm 3y ago
    I can also discuss it here, as far as I'm aware.
lukan 3y ago
"Or be more specific what doesn't sit right with you." What's not right with me, is that a donation is different from buying something, yet here it seems mixed in together.
- DANmode 3y ago
  Can you think of any legal mandates that might influence that decision?
  - lukan 3y ago
    Right now, no. What do you mean? The whole site is illegal anyway. Is there a legal difference in "donating" and getting benefits. And "buying" for benefits, when the benefits are illegal in both cases?
    - pjerem 3y ago
      Words don’t have the same significations around the world. It’s not about the legal meaning in the US but about the cultural (not legal) meaning of the word from where the author comes from. For me (not in the US), donating have a different meaning than buying. When I buy, I become a customer and it establish a business relation and the organization owe me a bunch of things (the product/the service, my customer rights …). When I donate, it’s mainly to support a cause and I know I’m not tied to anything in return. Even if there are promised perks, the structure doesn’t owe me anything, the perk is just a mean to thank me for my donation. Again, it’s not the legal definition from my country (or maybe, I really don’t know), it’s just what those words means culturally here. Also, using « buy » which implies a business relationship (even an illegal one) when the project is explicitly about freeing knowledge from businesses would be pretty ironic.
    - DANmode 3y ago
      Tax collection, business licenses, etc
- boomboomsubban 3y ago
  So what are your thoughts about NPR totebags? Getting perks if you donate isn't unusual.

lannisterstark 3y ago

This is such a childish response to the comment. "wah if you criticize us go do your own thing we really dislike taking feedback" is absurdly naive.

boomboomsubban 3y ago
On the one side, we have a group of people who have poured untold hours and cash into a project that provides almost no benefit to themselves, on the other side we have a group of people that stumble across said project and say "wah you should do things the way I want." Which side seems childish?

crtasm 3y ago

I'm unsure what quoting that to me achieves? What are your thoughts on their approach to getting donations (monthly subscriptions)?

boomboomsubban 3y ago
They need to fund the operation somehow, if you think you can fund it without aggressively pushing for donations you're free to create your own library.
datadrivenangel 3y ago
If you don't like their approach, you can host your own shadow library. It's all open source. :)
- crtasm 3y ago
  I can also discuss it here, as far as I'm aware.

lukan 3y ago

"Or be more specific what doesn't sit right with you." What's not right with me, is that a donation is different from buying something, yet here it seems mixed in together.

DANmode 3y ago
Can you think of any legal mandates that might influence that decision?
- lukan 3y ago
  Right now, no. What do you mean? The whole site is illegal anyway. Is there a legal difference in "donating" and getting benefits. And "buying" for benefits, when the benefits are illegal in both cases?
  - pjerem 3y ago
    Words don’t have the same significations around the world. It’s not about the legal meaning in the US but about the cultural (not legal) meaning of the word from where the author comes from. For me (not in the US), donating have a different meaning than buying. When I buy, I become a customer and it establish a business relation and the organization owe me a bunch of things (the product/the service, my customer rights …). When I donate, it’s mainly to support a cause and I know I’m not tied to anything in return. Even if there are promised perks, the structure doesn’t owe me anything, the perk is just a mean to thank me for my donation. Again, it’s not the legal definition from my country (or maybe, I really don’t know), it’s just what those words means culturally here. Also, using « buy » which implies a business relationship (even an illegal one) when the project is explicitly about freeing knowledge from businesses would be pretty ironic.
  - DANmode 3y ago
    Tax collection, business licenses, etc
boomboomsubban 3y ago
So what are your thoughts about NPR totebags? Getting perks if you donate isn't unusual.