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Does a european embassy count as EU?

dylan604 3y ago
oh that's brilliant. i wonder how detailed Apple's geofence maps are, because by international law, you are absolutely correct in that is how they are considered.
- eadler 3y ago
  What makes you believe that to be the case? I can't find anything here [0][1] which implies that embassies are foreign soil. I believe, for example, that if, hypothetically, a woman were to give birth in a US embassy they would not become a US citizen. [0] https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventio... [1] https://fam.state.gov/FAM/08FAM/08FAM030101.html#M301_1_3 https://fam.state.gov/FAM/08FAM/08FAM030101.html#M301_1_3
  - dylan604 3y ago
    Because this is what all of the TV shows tell us of course
  - privacyking 3y ago
    For some countries, people working in embassies count as being from the originating country for the purposes of determining citizenship by birth
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user_7832 3y ago
Not only is this a great question, it's an excellent example of how pointless this arbitrary restriction is. Thanks, Tim Apple.
- op00to 3y ago
  How is it a great question? The answer is no.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    When you are on EU embassy (Any Embassy of country in the EU) then it is considered sovereign territory of that country, where laws of that country applies. So answer is yes.
    - op00to 3y ago
      No, that is incorrect.
      - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
        So British laws apply in Iranian embassy in London? No they don't
        op00to 3y ago
        Proof? The embassy operates within the UK and must respect British laws, but the UK authorities have limited rights to enter the embassy premises or exert jurisdiction over those premises without permission from the embassy's country (Iran, in this case). For criminal matters or serious breaches of law, the host country and the embassy's country typically engage in diplomatic discussions to resolve the issue.
        TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
        Beautiful theory, reality is different. For example see Saudis killing journalist in their own embassy. Who was punished? Nobody, because it is Saudi's territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashog...
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Aloisius 3y ago
No.
op00to 3y ago
No. Embassies and consulates are not considered the territory of that country. They have certain special properties and immunities. This is from the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961. This agreement says the premises of embassies to be inviolable, meaning the host country cannot enter them without permission from the embassy's country. This makes it seem like embassies are like islands of their home country within a foreign nation. However, the land on which an embassy is situated remains under the sovereignty of the host country, not the country that the embassy represents. The host country retains ultimate control over the land, although it must respect the embassy's independence and immunities. Diplomatic premises are subject to the laws of the host country to a certain extent, but with significant exceptions that allow the embassy to function as a representation of its home country's government. The answer to your question is no.

oh that's brilliant. i wonder how detailed Apple's geofence maps are, because by international law, you are absolutely correct in that is how they are considered.

eadler 3y ago
What makes you believe that to be the case? I can't find anything here [0][1] which implies that embassies are foreign soil. I believe, for example, that if, hypothetically, a woman were to give birth in a US embassy they would not become a US citizen. [0] https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_1_1961.pdf https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventio... [1] https://fam.state.gov/FAM/08FAM/08FAM030101.html#M301_1_3 https://fam.state.gov/FAM/08FAM/08FAM030101.html#M301_1_3
- dylan604 3y ago
  Because this is what all of the TV shows tell us of course
- privacyking 3y ago
  For some countries, people working in embassies count as being from the originating country for the purposes of determining citizenship by birth
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user_7832 3y ago

Not only is this a great question, it's an excellent example of how pointless this arbitrary restriction is. Thanks, Tim Apple.

op00to 3y ago
How is it a great question? The answer is no.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  When you are on EU embassy (Any Embassy of country in the EU) then it is considered sovereign territory of that country, where laws of that country applies. So answer is yes.
  - op00to 3y ago
    No, that is incorrect.
    - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      So British laws apply in Iranian embassy in London? No they don't
      - op00to 3y ago
        Proof? The embassy operates within the UK and must respect British laws, but the UK authorities have limited rights to enter the embassy premises or exert jurisdiction over those premises without permission from the embassy's country (Iran, in this case). For criminal matters or serious breaches of law, the host country and the embassy's country typically engage in diplomatic discussions to resolve the issue.
        TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
        Beautiful theory, reality is different. For example see Saudis killing journalist in their own embassy. Who was punished? Nobody, because it is Saudi's territory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashog...
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Aloisius 3y ago

No.

op00to 3y ago

No. Embassies and consulates are not considered the territory of that country. They have certain special properties and immunities. This is from the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations of 1961. This agreement says the premises of embassies to be inviolable, meaning the host country cannot enter them without permission from the embassy's country. This makes it seem like embassies are like islands of their home country within a foreign nation. However, the land on which an embassy is situated remains under the sovereignty of the host country, not the country that the embassy represents. The host country retains ultimate control over the land, although it must respect the embassy's independence and immunities. Diplomatic premises are subject to the laws of the host country to a certain extent, but with significant exceptions that allow the embassy to function as a representation of its home country's government. The answer to your question is no.