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> Whether or not that will be something the European Commission takes issue with, remains to be seen. After all, an EU citizen is an EU citizen even after they

> Whether or not that will be something the European Commission takes issue with, remains to be seen. After all, an EU citizen is an EU citizen even after they leave the EU. I fail to see how this is in any way relevant. Cannabis is legal in Canada, and Canadians remain Canadian citizens abroad. If they're caught with cannabis in a country where it's illegal, they will be prosecuted for breaking the law. Laws don't follow people around like this.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
How so? US citizens pays taxes to US government, even if they live on the Moon. So these duties are quite common.
20after4 3y ago
On the other hand, if you do something in a foreign country which is legal in that place but illegal in your home country, you can be prosecuted back home for it.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Only some things in the US have "extraterritorial jurisdiction". Travel for child sex tourism (what Epsteins pals should be charged with) and bribery abroad for two examples. [0]https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-children https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/citizens-guid... [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdiction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdictio...
  - oyashirochama 3y ago
    Some other countries have similar things with their citizens, China being one of the fun ones.
- oyashirochama 3y ago
  Kind of, not entirely true for most laws, only ones of certain levels typically the big captial punishment or long term imprisonment ones such as rape, CP, murder, certain financial crimes, and conspiracies to commit said prior. Drinking underage for example, most examples of drugs too. Even internally in the US they don't have specific right to arrest someone for smoking weed in a state that is legal as federal agents on state land (or private), not within 50 miles of a border.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    > only ones of certain levels typically in what country are any of the things you listed legal?
    - quickslowdown 3y ago
      I think they were listing some extreme examples of things you'd probably be prosecuted back home for, regardless of where you committed those crimes.
choilive 3y ago
Not true, there are many laws that govern activities while you are abroad. Many countries have such laws on the books.
- lm411 3y ago
  Yep. But not rights.
WWLink 3y ago
This has nothing to do with laws. This has everything to do with Apple choosing how you will use the software on your device. And they're straight up insisting that if you don't live within a geographical area, the functionality of your device will change at their whim. Honestly. Fuck them.
- tmottabr 3y ago
  this is totally about the law.. third-party stores only exist in EU because there is a law that require then to exist. And Apple devices already behave differently based on location. Apple watches O2 and Heart functionalities are famously limited by the watch location at the time they are enabled, US being one place where O2 is not available at the moment even while you can have it in many other countries.
AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
Hot take: all of the above is stupid. Maybe we shouldn't make things life ending crimes when they're perfectly legal once you take a step across an imaginary line. Maybe apple shouldn't be trying to lock down an object that they sold and no longer own and control. Yes, I know, obviously there are situations where this mentality doesn't apply as cleanly. That doesn't mean we get to abandon all logic when it comes to legislation and corporate misbehavior.
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drewthestu 3y ago
I think you have it a bit turned around. If I have a right under my country's laws based on my citizenship, my right doesn't cease to exist because I leave the country. For example, I continue to have 5th Amendment rights outside of the United States. Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957). I haven't read the decision that requires Apple to open up its devices to third party stores, but if that decision is somehow premised on rights conferred by EU citizenship, then the passage you quote would be valid.
- tmottabr 3y ago
  that decision is about military tribunals that will judge acts of us citizens committed at other territories but under US law. If you are in another country and is being prosecuted under that country laws the 5th amendment not only not apply but it (or a similar law) might not even exist.
- pillusmany 3y ago
  Criminal rights are a different thing. There are tons of commercial rights EU citizens have which don't apply if you are an EU citizen living in US - for example warranty rights.
ceejayoz 3y ago
If you murder a Canadian overseas, then visit Canada, they will happily detain you.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  They'll detain you regardless of the nationality of your victim.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Canadian authorities aren’t gonna proactively open an investigation into a murder in, say, Brazil, unless they have a reason to, like it being one of their citizens. Same with the GDPR and EU residents who go abroad for a bit.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

How so? US citizens pays taxes to US government, even if they live on the Moon. So these duties are quite common.

20after4 3y ago

On the other hand, if you do something in a foreign country which is legal in that place but illegal in your home country, you can be prosecuted back home for it.

willcipriano 3y ago
Only some things in the US have "extraterritorial jurisdiction". Travel for child sex tourism (what Epsteins pals should be charged with) and bribery abroad for two examples. [0]https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-extraterritorial-sexual-exploitation-children https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/citizens-guid... [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdiction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritorial_jurisdictio...
- oyashirochama 3y ago
  Some other countries have similar things with their citizens, China being one of the fun ones.
oyashirochama 3y ago
Kind of, not entirely true for most laws, only ones of certain levels typically the big captial punishment or long term imprisonment ones such as rape, CP, murder, certain financial crimes, and conspiracies to commit said prior. Drinking underage for example, most examples of drugs too. Even internally in the US they don't have specific right to arrest someone for smoking weed in a state that is legal as federal agents on state land (or private), not within 50 miles of a border.
- dylan604 3y ago
  > only ones of certain levels typically in what country are any of the things you listed legal?
  - quickslowdown 3y ago
    I think they were listing some extreme examples of things you'd probably be prosecuted back home for, regardless of where you committed those crimes.

choilive 3y ago

Not true, there are many laws that govern activities while you are abroad. Many countries have such laws on the books.

lm411 3y ago
Yep. But not rights.

WWLink 3y ago

This has nothing to do with laws. This has everything to do with Apple choosing how you will use the software on your device. And they're straight up insisting that if you don't live within a geographical area, the functionality of your device will change at their whim. Honestly. Fuck them.

tmottabr 3y ago
this is totally about the law.. third-party stores only exist in EU because there is a law that require then to exist. And Apple devices already behave differently based on location. Apple watches O2 and Heart functionalities are famously limited by the watch location at the time they are enabled, US being one place where O2 is not available at the moment even while you can have it in many other countries.

AnarchismIsCool 3y ago

Hot take: all of the above is stupid. Maybe we shouldn't make things life ending crimes when they're perfectly legal once you take a step across an imaginary line. Maybe apple shouldn't be trying to lock down an object that they sold and no longer own and control. Yes, I know, obviously there are situations where this mentality doesn't apply as cleanly. That doesn't mean we get to abandon all logic when it comes to legislation and corporate misbehavior.

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drewthestu 3y ago

I think you have it a bit turned around. If I have a right under my country's laws based on my citizenship, my right doesn't cease to exist because I leave the country. For example, I continue to have 5th Amendment rights outside of the United States. Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957). I haven't read the decision that requires Apple to open up its devices to third party stores, but if that decision is somehow premised on rights conferred by EU citizenship, then the passage you quote would be valid.

tmottabr 3y ago
that decision is about military tribunals that will judge acts of us citizens committed at other territories but under US law. If you are in another country and is being prosecuted under that country laws the 5th amendment not only not apply but it (or a similar law) might not even exist.
pillusmany 3y ago
Criminal rights are a different thing. There are tons of commercial rights EU citizens have which don't apply if you are an EU citizen living in US - for example warranty rights.

ceejayoz 3y ago

If you murder a Canadian overseas, then visit Canada, they will happily detain you.

paulddraper 3y ago
They'll detain you regardless of the nationality of your victim.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Canadian authorities aren’t gonna proactively open an investigation into a murder in, say, Brazil, unless they have a reason to, like it being one of their citizens. Same with the GDPR and EU residents who go abroad for a bit.