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It’s interesting to me that google doesn’t do a security clearance review on its engineers. I’ve had a security clearance in the past and there’s no way a fore

It’s interesting to me that google doesn’t do a security clearance review on its engineers. I’ve had a security clearance in the past and there’s no way a foreign national passes. I got questioned significantly about a family member who was a citizen of another country. I wonder if it’s just a matter of time.

mvdtnz 3y ago
Is it your contention that Google should never hire anyone born outside of USA or without USA citizenship? Do you realise how much of their workforce that would preclude?
- prepend 3y ago
  It precludes a great many people. In my example, the US won’t grant security clearance to a foreign national. Even if you are a permanent resident, you don’t get clearance without citizenship.
- c2occnw 3y ago
  Presumably it would only be required to work on extremely sensitive projects with national security implications (no idea if that applies in this case).
- jpk2f2 3y ago
  Of course not. However there should certainly be a risk assessment with regards to citizens of foreign countries known to steal IP or otherwise perform hostile actions.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  > without USA citizenship For jobs in the US, yes.
- calculatte 3y ago
  How many software engineers were laid off in the US over the past year? Shortage of talent is not the issue.
shagie 3y ago
> Within weeks of the theft starting, prosecutors say, Ding was offered the position of chief technology officer at an early-stage technology company in China that touted its use of AI technology and that offered him a monthly salary of about $14,800, plus an annual bonus and company stock. The indictment says Ding traveled to China and participated in investor meetings at the company and sought to raise capital for it. > He also separately founded and served as chief executive of a China-based startup company that aspired to train “large AI models powered by supercomputing chips,” the indictment said. > Prosecutors say Ding did not disclose either affiliation to Google, which described him Wednesday as a junior employee. --- They likely did... he did these things after joining Google as a junior employee. https://www.eeoc.gov/national-origin-discrimination https://www.eeoc.gov/national-origin-discrimination Discriminating against a national origin is illegal as it is a protected class. Unless the material is classified under ITAR ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_... ) there is no reason to do a security clearance review of a junior developer with a valid work visa.
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mvdtnz 3y ago

Is it your contention that Google should never hire anyone born outside of USA or without USA citizenship? Do you realise how much of their workforce that would preclude?

prepend 3y ago
It precludes a great many people. In my example, the US won’t grant security clearance to a foreign national. Even if you are a permanent resident, you don’t get clearance without citizenship.
c2occnw 3y ago
Presumably it would only be required to work on extremely sensitive projects with national security implications (no idea if that applies in this case).
jpk2f2 3y ago
Of course not. However there should certainly be a risk assessment with regards to citizens of foreign countries known to steal IP or otherwise perform hostile actions.
2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
> without USA citizenship For jobs in the US, yes.
calculatte 3y ago
How many software engineers were laid off in the US over the past year? Shortage of talent is not the issue.

shagie 3y ago

> Within weeks of the theft starting, prosecutors say, Ding was offered the position of chief technology officer at an early-stage technology company in China that touted its use of AI technology and that offered him a monthly salary of about $14,800, plus an annual bonus and company stock. The indictment says Ding traveled to China and participated in investor meetings at the company and sought to raise capital for it. > He also separately founded and served as chief executive of a China-based startup company that aspired to train “large AI models powered by supercomputing chips,” the indictment said. > Prosecutors say Ding did not disclose either affiliation to Google, which described him Wednesday as a junior employee. --- They likely did... he did these things after joining Google as a junior employee. https://www.eeoc.gov/national-origin-discrimination https://www.eeoc.gov/national-origin-discrimination Discriminating against a national origin is illegal as it is a protected class. Unless the material is classified under ITAR ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_... ) there is no reason to do a security clearance review of a junior developer with a valid work visa.

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