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Stations and transfers (2022)

70 points by pvaldes 3y ago

TimK65 3y ago
For sheer complexity, I like this one: https://mitt.sl.se/ficktid/karta/vinter/city_stn.pdf https://mitt.sl.se/ficktid/karta/vinter/city_stn.pdf
kredd 3y ago
Somewhat tangent, but reading through this, on top of everything else, I really admire this type of dedication. I’ve been slowly walking through every street in my city for fun, just to have it visualized on a map, which is incredibly easy compared to what this person has done. Nothing but deep respect, and it makes me appreciate the public transport even more.
- RaoulP 3y ago
  Agreed: > For the last 10 years I have been able to draw around 1.517 stations from different European cities, motivated by the curiosity of understanding how engineers were able to fit underground stations comprising 4 or 5 lines under Place de la République in Paris or the Puerta del Sol in Madrid. > A pen, a notebook, a bit of spatial vision and the willingness to navigate all the staircases, corridors, platforms and mezzanines are enough […]
seer 3y ago
The best transfer station I’ve seen was when visiting Taipei. They used large diameter boring machines for some of the lines, which allowed for putting opposite directions on top of each other, rather than the standard next to each other configuration. So at a junction, you would have four tracks inside of one tube, and the other line be right across when the train stops. Now they sync the two different lines to always arrive simultaneously. Thus a transfer is you go out of one train, and right there, across is your connecting train. I’m not sure how much the whole thing cost to implement and maintain, but I do think it was all worth it. It allowed them to have really accurate and fast travel times across all the lines connected this way.
- yonatan8070 3y ago
  I can understand how this works under ideal conditions, but how does this system handle delays?
  - seer 3y ago
    Well I guess it degrades to normal - go out of the train and wait for next train to come. The remarkable thing is when working as intended it removes the “wait” bit speeding things considerably. Locals probably have better info but all the time I passed through that station (about 8 in the span of a few days) trains were in sync.
- seszett 3y ago
  That's how it works in Lille Flandre, which is depicted on this website. In Lille, in the North of France. They're just all on the same level though.
- PopAlongKid 3y ago
  This is kind of hybrid I guess, cross-platform on one level and a side platform on the other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_Street_Oakland_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_Street_Oakland_station
- lmm 3y ago
  London's Victoria line was built for "cross-platform interchange" like that (often by having its lines arrive on the "outside" of another line, so that both tracks were alongside same-direction tracks). Nowadays it's something they generally avoid, on the grounds that it reduces circulation space - with the system running close to capacity, they prefer to have everyone walk further so that the crowds spread out a bit.
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    It works if you have very wide platforms. The general issue is that London doesn’t build large platforms suitable for cross platform interchange. London also uses this crowding excuse to deliberately not build transfers, like the new Northern Line extension with the Victoria Line.
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10u152 3y ago
The Tokyo metro stations are amazing. A diagram on the screen of the exit doors showing the locations of lifts, escalators and exits along with numbered/lettered exits. Google maps will properly direct you to the correct exit point and the station way-finding is exemplary.
- packetslave 3y ago
  It probably also helps that a large portion of the Google Maps UI is developed in the Tokyo office.
  - 10u152 3y ago
    That makes sense. Well done to that team!
gfaure 3y ago
I find it exquisite that Paral·lel station in Barcelona really has a parallel platform layout (despite the station name deriving instead from the fact that the street with that name is parallel to the equator). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avinguda_del_Paral%C2%B7lel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avinguda_del_Paral%C2%B7lel
zubairq 3y ago
Whenever I see things like this I always think of software connectors for some reason.

70 points by pvaldes 3y ago

For sheer complexity, I like this one: https://mitt.sl.se/ficktid/karta/vinter/city_stn.pdf https://mitt.sl.se/ficktid/karta/vinter/city_stn.pdf

kredd 3y ago

Somewhat tangent, but reading through this, on top of everything else, I really admire this type of dedication. I’ve been slowly walking through every street in my city for fun, just to have it visualized on a map, which is incredibly easy compared to what this person has done. Nothing but deep respect, and it makes me appreciate the public transport even more.

RaoulP 3y ago
Agreed: > For the last 10 years I have been able to draw around 1.517 stations from different European cities, motivated by the curiosity of understanding how engineers were able to fit underground stations comprising 4 or 5 lines under Place de la République in Paris or the Puerta del Sol in Madrid. > A pen, a notebook, a bit of spatial vision and the willingness to navigate all the staircases, corridors, platforms and mezzanines are enough […]

seer 3y ago

The best transfer station I’ve seen was when visiting Taipei. They used large diameter boring machines for some of the lines, which allowed for putting opposite directions on top of each other, rather than the standard next to each other configuration. So at a junction, you would have four tracks inside of one tube, and the other line be right across when the train stops. Now they sync the two different lines to always arrive simultaneously. Thus a transfer is you go out of one train, and right there, across is your connecting train. I’m not sure how much the whole thing cost to implement and maintain, but I do think it was all worth it. It allowed them to have really accurate and fast travel times across all the lines connected this way.

yonatan8070 3y ago
I can understand how this works under ideal conditions, but how does this system handle delays?
- seer 3y ago
  Well I guess it degrades to normal - go out of the train and wait for next train to come. The remarkable thing is when working as intended it removes the “wait” bit speeding things considerably. Locals probably have better info but all the time I passed through that station (about 8 in the span of a few days) trains were in sync.
seszett 3y ago
That's how it works in Lille Flandre, which is depicted on this website. In Lille, in the North of France. They're just all on the same level though.
PopAlongKid 3y ago
This is kind of hybrid I guess, cross-platform on one level and a side platform on the other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_Street_Oakland_station https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_Street_Oakland_station
lmm 3y ago
London's Victoria line was built for "cross-platform interchange" like that (often by having its lines arrive on the "outside" of another line, so that both tracks were alongside same-direction tracks). Nowadays it's something they generally avoid, on the grounds that it reduces circulation space - with the system running close to capacity, they prefer to have everyone walk further so that the crowds spread out a bit.
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  It works if you have very wide platforms. The general issue is that London doesn’t build large platforms suitable for cross platform interchange. London also uses this crowding excuse to deliberately not build transfers, like the new Northern Line extension with the Victoria Line.

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10u152 3y ago

The Tokyo metro stations are amazing. A diagram on the screen of the exit doors showing the locations of lifts, escalators and exits along with numbered/lettered exits. Google maps will properly direct you to the correct exit point and the station way-finding is exemplary.

packetslave 3y ago
It probably also helps that a large portion of the Google Maps UI is developed in the Tokyo office.
- 10u152 3y ago
  That makes sense. Well done to that team!

gfaure 3y ago

I find it exquisite that Paral·lel station in Barcelona really has a parallel platform layout (despite the station name deriving instead from the fact that the street with that name is parallel to the equator). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avinguda_del_Paral%C2%B7lel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avinguda_del_Paral%C2%B7lel

zubairq 3y ago

Whenever I see things like this I always think of software connectors for some reason.