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Key OpenAI executive played a pivotal role in Sam Altman's ouster

37 points by jaredwiener 3y ago

jdale27 3y ago
https://archive.is/uroRV https://archive.is/uroRV
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imranhou 3y ago
This is more evidence that the man wants to gain more than his fair share of power and ofcourse the money. Working with such people is no fun as they do not respect boundaries of power and responsibility. It is baffling to see Ilya and Murati did a U turn, perhaps they didn’t want him fired and hoped they could change him, such people are unlikely to change their behavaior, its an innate trait that cant be “trained out”. The rest of the employees probably don’t work with him close enough to know the kind of person he is, plus the money factor!
- Euphemistic 3y ago
  "Ofcourse" the money. Even among the talented, the intellectual, the technical and the elite, money is still the denomination of the leaderboard
- imranhou 3y ago
  Add to this the potential possibility of such a man presiding over the biggest leap of innovation mankind has ever wrought upon itself.
gwern 3y ago
An important revelation in this article is that the investigation is over and the report is almost done. The fact that this is the worst that is leaking shows that Altman has won and will be put in full control of OA, IMO: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-facts-from-a-weekend?commentId=eFuasCwaKJr2YiScY#eFuasCwaKJr2YiScY https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-fac...
- baking 3y ago
  This is a bizarre take. We hear nothing from the board. Obviously, they are waiting for the lawyers. Meanwhile, everyone else is leaking like crazy. It's a power play, but it appears defensive.
  - gwern 3y ago
    Your take is the bizarre one. Who is 'the board'? Who is 'they' and why should they wait for the lawyers? There's at least 2 factions on the temporary board, an unknown successor board, and the old board had at least 2 factions with people moving between it over 2023 as well as leaving the board, with 1 person (Adam D'Angelo) still on it. In any case, if you think my take about Altman winning is 'bizarre', I have bad breaking news for you: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/sam-altman-to-return-to-openai-board-of-directors https://www.theinformation.com/articles/sam-altman-to-return...
    - baking 3y ago
      I'm not seeing an "Altman plurality" on the new board.
      - gwern 3y ago
        This is a very sloppy comment. How do you know that about 'the new board', exactly? Are you already an expert on these 3 women and know their background and all possible connections to Altman? I doubt it. (I'm not.) They could be an Altman plurality already for all you or I know. And which 'new board' not having an Altman plurality are we talking about, exactly? You're not seeing 'the new board' - you're seeing the announcement of some expansion. The 3 women & Altman are not the entirety of the new board. (For example, Brockman seems likely to be reinstated in the followup appointments. I'm also curious if the MS observer is still going to be there.)

37 points by jaredwiener 3y ago

jdale27 3y ago

https://archive.is/uroRV https://archive.is/uroRV

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imranhou 3y ago

This is more evidence that the man wants to gain more than his fair share of power and ofcourse the money. Working with such people is no fun as they do not respect boundaries of power and responsibility. It is baffling to see Ilya and Murati did a U turn, perhaps they didn’t want him fired and hoped they could change him, such people are unlikely to change their behavaior, its an innate trait that cant be “trained out”. The rest of the employees probably don’t work with him close enough to know the kind of person he is, plus the money factor!

Euphemistic 3y ago
"Ofcourse" the money. Even among the talented, the intellectual, the technical and the elite, money is still the denomination of the leaderboard
imranhou 3y ago
Add to this the potential possibility of such a man presiding over the biggest leap of innovation mankind has ever wrought upon itself.

gwern 3y ago

An important revelation in this article is that the investigation is over and the report is almost done. The fact that this is the worst that is leaking shows that Altman has won and will be put in full control of OA, IMO: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-facts-from-a-weekend?commentId=eFuasCwaKJr2YiScY#eFuasCwaKJr2YiScY https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KXHMCH7wCxrvKsJyn/openai-fac...

baking 3y ago
This is a bizarre take. We hear nothing from the board. Obviously, they are waiting for the lawyers. Meanwhile, everyone else is leaking like crazy. It's a power play, but it appears defensive.
- gwern 3y ago
  Your take is the bizarre one. Who is 'the board'? Who is 'they' and why should they wait for the lawyers? There's at least 2 factions on the temporary board, an unknown successor board, and the old board had at least 2 factions with people moving between it over 2023 as well as leaving the board, with 1 person (Adam D'Angelo) still on it. In any case, if you think my take about Altman winning is 'bizarre', I have bad breaking news for you: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/sam-altman-to-return-to-openai-board-of-directors https://www.theinformation.com/articles/sam-altman-to-return...
  - baking 3y ago
    I'm not seeing an "Altman plurality" on the new board.
    - gwern 3y ago
      This is a very sloppy comment. How do you know that about 'the new board', exactly? Are you already an expert on these 3 women and know their background and all possible connections to Altman? I doubt it. (I'm not.) They could be an Altman plurality already for all you or I know. And which 'new board' not having an Altman plurality are we talking about, exactly? You're not seeing 'the new board' - you're seeing the announcement of some expansion. The 3 women & Altman are not the entirety of the new board. (For example, Brockman seems likely to be reinstated in the followup appointments. I'm also curious if the MS observer is still going to be there.)