> It's crazy to me, because when you look critically at what dog you personally have in this race, like of course you want the status quo where The Pile exists,

> It's crazy to me, because when you look critically at what dog you personally have in this race, like of course you want the status quo where The Pile exists, and you and the only agitators in all of this - authors' guild authors - gain nothing from nearly every dead-on-arrival framework like "Compensation, Credit and Consent" or whatever, BESIDES meaningless psychological satisfaction of winning social media arguments and flexing the favorability of authors over programmers. Do you really expect anyone to engage with you in good faith if you feel this way? Copyright law isn't perfect, but most of the great creative works from the last few centuries wouldn't exist if their authors didn't have legal protections allowing them to monetize their work. Redistributing existing media without worrying about copyright might be great in the short term, but the next century of art will probably look pretty barren if that becomes the status quo. Maybe we'll reach a point where the benefits of training AI outweigh the benefits of all human creative output. But you don't need to be a stooge of some author's guild to not feel like we're there today.