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3 Free movement of capital 4 Free movement of services 5 Free movement of people 5.1 Free movement of workers 5.2 Free movement for the non-economic

by Create 14y ago

3 Free movement of capital 4 Free movement of services 5 Free movement of people 5.1 Free movement of workers 5.2 Free movement for the non-economically active 5.3 The Schengen Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms_%28European_Union%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms_%28European_Unio... I also invite you to read the labels of ie. the plying wooden chairs and crude mugs from which all those world-mesmerising profits arise.

Muzza 14y ago
What is your point? Do you think I'm somehow ignorant of what the EU means? I know about the free movement of people - I reject it since it has negative consequences for me! For some reason you are unwilling to come right out and simply say what you think about IKEA, thus leaving me to read your mind. Presumably your argument goes something like this: "Ingvar Kamprad is Swedish, Ingvar Kamprad used forced labor in the GDR, therefore all Swedish people must pay for these sins by putting up with foreign beggars on their streets".
- Create 14y ago
  Your presumption is wrong. I gave examples of free movements of products, services and capital. If you are ready to accept these freedoms, you should also accept the other items packaged in this very same deal: the free movement of people. The Swiss also like to cherry pick the good stuff from the Europe, just like everybody. Not taking responsibility of the economic externalities, as the euphemism goes, is not sustainable. Economically speaking of the West, the short-term advantages of this short-sightedness are over.
  - Muzza 14y ago
    > If you are ready to accept these freedoms Who says I am? I am not Ingvar Kamprad.
    - photon137 14y ago
      Democracy and freedom are double-edged swords by their very nature.You are perfectly entitled as an individual to reject those freedoms. I think you as an individual then should be slapped with a visa requirement to visit all other nations in Europe. Then you'll have fun strutting around with your papers to all the different embassies - which I guess you'd certainly prefer than having foreign beggars around. Or you could stay in Sweden forever if you don't even want to do that. We certainly wouldn't mind.

by Create 14y ago

Muzza 14y ago

What is your point? Do you think I'm somehow ignorant of what the EU means? I know about the free movement of people - I reject it since it has negative consequences for me! For some reason you are unwilling to come right out and simply say what you think about IKEA, thus leaving me to read your mind. Presumably your argument goes something like this: "Ingvar Kamprad is Swedish, Ingvar Kamprad used forced labor in the GDR, therefore all Swedish people must pay for these sins by putting up with foreign beggars on their streets".

Create 14y ago
Your presumption is wrong. I gave examples of free movements of products, services and capital. If you are ready to accept these freedoms, you should also accept the other items packaged in this very same deal: the free movement of people. The Swiss also like to cherry pick the good stuff from the Europe, just like everybody. Not taking responsibility of the economic externalities, as the euphemism goes, is not sustainable. Economically speaking of the West, the short-term advantages of this short-sightedness are over.
- Muzza 14y ago
  > If you are ready to accept these freedoms Who says I am? I am not Ingvar Kamprad.
  - photon137 14y ago
    Democracy and freedom are double-edged swords by their very nature.You are perfectly entitled as an individual to reject those freedoms. I think you as an individual then should be slapped with a visa requirement to visit all other nations in Europe. Then you'll have fun strutting around with your papers to all the different embassies - which I guess you'd certainly prefer than having foreign beggars around. Or you could stay in Sweden forever if you don't even want to do that. We certainly wouldn't mind.