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Do we really want to emulated the Chinese state in regards to freedom of speech?

bsder 3y ago
Blocking a Chinese government controlled and subsidized entity from unfettered operation on your soil doesn't even remotely intersect "freedom of speech". Someone domestic can create a TikTok clone if they feel like their free speech is being impinged. Problem solved. Disconnecting from China is simply smart domestic security.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Someone domestic can create a TikTok clone if they feel like it They—or someone in Canada or India or Europe—can also buy it. It’s a divestiture bill, not a ban.
- mistermann 3y ago
  > Blocking a Chinese government controlled and subsidized entity from unfettered operation on your soil doesn't even remotely intersect "freedom of speech". Ironically, there are a lot of philosophy accounts on tiktok, if you watch them it would give you an opportunity to realize that what appears to you as a fact is actually a belief, and an incorrect one at that (I suspect you are thinking of the first amendment, a very common error among humans).
  - bsder 3y ago
    This is both a non-sequitur and grammatically very strange--especially when compared to the quite clear grammar in submissions from more than 5 years ago as opposed to relatively new comments. Has this "mistermann" account been compromised? Is there a way to flag it for review?
    - mistermann 3y ago
      > This is both a non-sequitur... A reply could hardly be more ironic than this, even if you were trying. Dang is well aware of my unusual perspective, and he too is not a fan afaict, but tends to "not be able to understand" simple unusually literal language when I explain.
tivert 3y ago
> Do we really want to emulated the Chinese state in regards to freedom of speech? We definitely want to emulate the Chinese state in it's clear-eyed pursuit of its own interests and its protection of its political system from interference by its adversaries. Don't be a fool. I read an article just today that showed where your kind of idealism leads. The Chinese state subsidized and supported Chinese solar panel manufacturers, the EU subsidized the purchase of solar panels from any manufacturer, and the end result is the European solar industry was totally destroyed.

Blocking a Chinese government controlled and subsidized entity from unfettered operation on your soil doesn't even remotely intersect "freedom of speech". Someone domestic can create a TikTok clone if they feel like their free speech is being impinged. Problem solved. Disconnecting from China is simply smart domestic security.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Someone domestic can create a TikTok clone if they feel like it They—or someone in Canada or India or Europe—can also buy it. It’s a divestiture bill, not a ban.
mistermann 3y ago
> Blocking a Chinese government controlled and subsidized entity from unfettered operation on your soil doesn't even remotely intersect "freedom of speech". Ironically, there are a lot of philosophy accounts on tiktok, if you watch them it would give you an opportunity to realize that what appears to you as a fact is actually a belief, and an incorrect one at that (I suspect you are thinking of the first amendment, a very common error among humans).
- bsder 3y ago
  This is both a non-sequitur and grammatically very strange--especially when compared to the quite clear grammar in submissions from more than 5 years ago as opposed to relatively new comments. Has this "mistermann" account been compromised? Is there a way to flag it for review?
  - mistermann 3y ago
    > This is both a non-sequitur... A reply could hardly be more ironic than this, even if you were trying. Dang is well aware of my unusual perspective, and he too is not a fan afaict, but tends to "not be able to understand" simple unusually literal language when I explain.

tivert 3y ago

> Do we really want to emulated the Chinese state in regards to freedom of speech? We definitely want to emulate the Chinese state in it's clear-eyed pursuit of its own interests and its protection of its political system from interference by its adversaries. Don't be a fool. I read an article just today that showed where your kind of idealism leads. The Chinese state subsidized and supported Chinese solar panel manufacturers, the EU subsidized the purchase of solar panels from any manufacturer, and the end result is the European solar industry was totally destroyed.