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It is pretty simple. You should not let a geopolitical rival unfettered access to your populations data. There is a reason China has banned all US tech compani

It is pretty simple. You should not let a geopolitical rival unfettered access to your populations data. There is a reason China has banned all US tech companies, why should the U.S. allow Bytedance to push algorithms that effect 1/3rd of the U.S. Population? You can dismiss it as racism if you are ignoring the numerous reports from the last 20 years showing rampant IP theft coming out of China. The CCP will use any means they can to get an advantage, and if I were in their shoes I would do the same thing.

logicchains 3y ago
>You should not let a geopolitical rival unfettered access to your populations data In America the rights of the people come first, not the desires of the elites trying to lord over them. Americans don't win by letting the American government become more and more like the Chinese government. This kind of geopolitical posturing is a lose-lose game for citizens of all countries involved, who lose more and more rights in the name of beating The Enemy, and a win-win game for the elites who use The Enemy as an excuse to exert more and more control over the population.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Americans don't win by letting the American government become more and more like the Chinese government China straight up banned us, there was no provision for local devolution.
- bsder 3y ago
  There is no reason to extend courtesy to an entity that does not reciprocate. The rheotric around China was the engagement would cause China to become more open. It is time to admit that hypothesis has been disproven. As such, penalization and disconnect should be implemented.
advisedwang 3y ago
Do we really want to emulated the Chinese state in regards to freedom of speech?
- bsder 3y ago
  Blocking a Chinese government controlled and subsidized entity from unfettered operation on your soil doesn't even remotely intersect "freedom of speech". Someone domestic can create a TikTok clone if they feel like their free speech is being impinged. Problem solved. Disconnecting from China is simply smart domestic security.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Someone domestic can create a TikTok clone if they feel like it They—or someone in Canada or India or Europe—can also buy it. It’s a divestiture bill, not a ban.
  - mistermann 3y ago
    > Blocking a Chinese government controlled and subsidized entity from unfettered operation on your soil doesn't even remotely intersect "freedom of speech". Ironically, there are a lot of philosophy accounts on tiktok, if you watch them it would give you an opportunity to realize that what appears to you as a fact is actually a belief, and an incorrect one at that (I suspect you are thinking of the first amendment, a very common error among humans).
    - bsder 3y ago
      This is both a non-sequitur and grammatically very strange--especially when compared to the quite clear grammar in submissions from more than 5 years ago as opposed to relatively new comments. Has this "mistermann" account been compromised? Is there a way to flag it for review?
      - mistermann 3y ago
        > This is both a non-sequitur... A reply could hardly be more ironic than this, even if you were trying. Dang is well aware of my unusual perspective, and he too is not a fan afaict, but tends to "not be able to understand" simple unusually literal language when I explain.
- 3y ago

logicchains 3y ago

>You should not let a geopolitical rival unfettered access to your populations data In America the rights of the people come first, not the desires of the elites trying to lord over them. Americans don't win by letting the American government become more and more like the Chinese government. This kind of geopolitical posturing is a lose-lose game for citizens of all countries involved, who lose more and more rights in the name of beating The Enemy, and a win-win game for the elites who use The Enemy as an excuse to exert more and more control over the population.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Americans don't win by letting the American government become more and more like the Chinese government China straight up banned us, there was no provision for local devolution.
bsder 3y ago
There is no reason to extend courtesy to an entity that does not reciprocate. The rheotric around China was the engagement would cause China to become more open. It is time to admit that hypothesis has been disproven. As such, penalization and disconnect should be implemented.

advisedwang 3y ago

Do we really want to emulated the Chinese state in regards to freedom of speech?

bsder 3y ago
Blocking a Chinese government controlled and subsidized entity from unfettered operation on your soil doesn't even remotely intersect "freedom of speech". Someone domestic can create a TikTok clone if they feel like their free speech is being impinged. Problem solved. Disconnecting from China is simply smart domestic security.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Someone domestic can create a TikTok clone if they feel like it They—or someone in Canada or India or Europe—can also buy it. It’s a divestiture bill, not a ban.
- mistermann 3y ago
  > Blocking a Chinese government controlled and subsidized entity from unfettered operation on your soil doesn't even remotely intersect "freedom of speech". Ironically, there are a lot of philosophy accounts on tiktok, if you watch them it would give you an opportunity to realize that what appears to you as a fact is actually a belief, and an incorrect one at that (I suspect you are thinking of the first amendment, a very common error among humans).
  - bsder 3y ago
    This is both a non-sequitur and grammatically very strange--especially when compared to the quite clear grammar in submissions from more than 5 years ago as opposed to relatively new comments. Has this "mistermann" account been compromised? Is there a way to flag it for review?
    - mistermann 3y ago
      > This is both a non-sequitur... A reply could hardly be more ironic than this, even if you were trying. Dang is well aware of my unusual perspective, and he too is not a fan afaict, but tends to "not be able to understand" simple unusually literal language when I explain.
3y ago