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How about we just stop giving Israel more bombs until they agree to let aid in the normal way? I guess this pier is to avoid “putting conditions” on US support
by goodSteveramos 3y ago
How about we just stop giving Israel more bombs until they agree to let aid in the normal way? I guess this pier is to avoid “putting conditions” on US support for Israel, but it’s literally admitting that Israel is a rogue state that cant be reasoned with. Why is the US giving this country weapons at all?
- loandbehold 3y agoUS support is the only thing preventing Israel from doing what they really want to do: deport Palestinians to neighboring Arab countries. Isolating Israel will turn it into a rogue state with nukes. It would become North Korea of Middle East.
- r00fus 3y agoDeporting them where? Those many refugees could easily destabilize these governments so they are clearly pushing back (Egypt said it would gladly start a war before they were forced to accept refugees). Israel is becoming the North Korea of the Middle East. Their population is openly racist, they celebrate airstrikes against Palestinians. The rest of the world is just finding out more clearly now. (North Korea would cease to exist if China weren't supporting them as a proxy so the analogy is deeper than just nukes).
- weatherlite 3y ago> Their population is openly racist You're openly racist as well maybe you should relocate there
- loandbehold 3y agoArab countries don't want to let Palestinians in because it doesn't serve their long term strategic goal of eliminating Israel. From their point of view, the role of Palestinians is to hold Palestine for Arabs. That's the way they think.
- goodSteveramos 3y agoPalestinians should get their land back. If Israel refuses to give it back then the US should take away their WMDs. Israel has undeclared nukes and the only active offensive biological and chemical weapons programs. This is unacceptable. Also, I would like to point out just how outrageous it is to imply that the indigenous people of a land don’t have any right to it themselves because they have regional allies who support them. What a completely backwards and insane misrepresentation of the situation. Just using the word “hold” implies it doesn’t belong to them in the first place.
- robertlagrant 3y ago> (North Korea would cease to exist if China weren't supporting them as a proxy so the analogy is deeper than just nukes). I don't think this is a "river to the sea" equivalent, though, is it? Are other countries poised to eradicate North Korea? I thought it was more like economic support?
- CuriousCosmic 3y ago> Deporting them where? Those many refugees could easily destabilize these governments so they are clearly pushing back (Egypt said it would gladly start a war before they were forced to accept refugees). If what Netanyahu says is to be believed, literally into the middle of the desert with nothing but the clothes on their backs.
- xk_id 3y ago> they celebrate airstrikes against Palestinians Fwiw there are videos of Palestinians also dancing frenetically around the naked corpse or shani louk.
- weatherlite 3y agoBut they are brown freedom fighters it's not the same thing
- dragonwriter 3y ago> US support is the only thing preventing Israel from doing what they really want to do: deport Palestinians to neighboring Arab countries. The other neighboring Arab countries (in the case of Gaza, this means "Egypt") are doing more to prevent this than the US is.
- runarberg 3y agoI’m sure the same was said about Apartheid South Africa. Turned out that US support was the only think preventing South Africa from democratizing. As soon as the US dropped their support (which ironically Joe Biden argued for) the Apartheid regime fell.
- 762236 3y agoYou seem surprised that the U.S. supports nations with Western values, particularly against people that want to destroy Western nations.
- Georgelemental 3y ago> Western values Like killing women sheltering inside churches? https://www.timesofisrael.com/christian-mother-daughter-killed-while-sheltering-in-gaza-church-patriarch-says/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/christian-mother-daughter-kill...
- xk_id 3y agoReducing the entire intellectual history of the european enlightenment to the actions of one IDF soldier. Yeah that makes sense.
- Georgelemental 3y agoI suppose I should have added an /s… my point was, the actions of IDF soldiers are contrary to the "intellectual history of the european enlightenment".
- goodSteveramos 3y agoDid the IDF punish that soldier they same way they would have punished a Palestinian doing the same thing to Jews? If not, then it wasn’t just the action of one soldier it was a policy of the Israeli government.
- runarberg 3y agoWestern values is a dog whistle commonly used to mean non-white. Israel shares a lot of values with Apartheid South Africa or (to a lesser extent) pre civil rights USA. It does not offer equal status to all its subjects, it maintains a prolonged occupation, it is highly militaristic (more so then 1950s USA), etc. If you think apartheid South Africa had more western values then modern day South Africa, then I get your point. The point being that the country must have a white ruling class.
- causi 3y agoBecause people with vast amounts of money and power in the US either have relatives there or have cultural interests there. US foreign policy in the Middle East over the last fifty years becomes a lot less nonsensical if you think about it in terms of "what would benefit Israel the most"?
- weatherlite 3y agoJeez let me guess the Jews right? Wow they must have so much power, probably because they control the media
- causi 3y agoIf the media has a pro-Israel bias it isn't massive, at least outside Fox News. I've seen decent coverage of various atrocities in Gaza on CNN, for example.
- weatherlite 3y agoI hope its clear I was being sarcastic. Your earlier comment is suspiciously vague about who it is that is holding so much power to steer U.S policy. You seem to suggest that there's this unknown force in U.S politics that does what Israel wants it to do, which sounds conspiratorial to me.
- causi 3y agoJewish people certainly punch above their weight when it comes to billionaires and political influence but I suspect most of the "mass" of it is white American evangelical beliefs. Even my own fairly moderate family's response to the conflict is "God gave the Jews that land, they can do whatever they want on it". Downright spooky.
- weatherlite 3y agoPalestinians in the U.S also punch way above their weight, they are a fraction of the U.S population but have around 2 billion fellow Muslims around the world, some with very deep pockets, to help promote their agenda. They are also a much more political and cohesive group than Jews, Jews aren't that uniform in their political inclinations. Many Jews don't want to get involved at all and ideologically Jews are quite heterogenous.
- Gibbon1 3y agoIt's a pickle because any other conflict most of the civilians would have fled to refugee camps. The non boutique UN refugee organization is staffed with people who are very experienced in pulling that off. But the one specifically for Palestinians is just a grift operation.
- tguvot 3y ago>How about we just stop giving Israel more bomb usa gives to israel precision munition. if it will stop, israel will use usual bombs (should have plenty in warehouses) which are still sufficiently precise .
- majikaja 3y agoI think a better question is why do so many Americans identify so strongly with Israel despite it not being a Christian country. Palestinians being mostly Muslim and non-white is negative for their image in the US no doubt. They're not even African American. If there were more news about white Christian children being killed there would be slightly more sympathy. Even then I'm not sure.
- xdennis 3y ago> How about we just stop giving Israel more bombs until they agree to let aid in the normal way How about Israel lets no aid in until Hamas lets aid and doctors in for the hostages? They won't even say which victims are still alive.