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Being a NATO member gives a nation more security than nuclear weapons, effectively. Nuclear states can and HAVE gone to wars - but no one wants to mess with th
by renegade-otter 3y ago
Being a NATO member gives a nation more security than nuclear weapons, effectively.
Nuclear states can and HAVE gone to wars - but no one wants to mess with the devastating conventional power of NATO.
After the recent gutting, Russia has a few dozen SU-34s that can fly. NATO has thousands of planes.
- __loam 3y agoIt also just got a lot more Gripens.
- rickydroll 3y agoit did?? can you point me to articles on this?
- Oath 3y agoI think they are referring to Sweden adding Gripens to NATO, not that Russia is receiving any.
- dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago> Russia has a few dozen SU-34s that can fly And Ukraine is about to receive their F-16s
- danlugo92 3y agoIs this similar to sending ammunitions or "worse"(e.g. more provoking of WW3)...?
- candiodari 3y agoThe problem with that is simple: if one side believes they are at war, 2 sides are at war. And Russia has explained why they believe they are at war, the insane dictator at the top explained that in the 13th century it was really unfair that some army marched from Poland to what is now Chechnya (even Tucker Carlsson frowned as hard as he could and needed about 6 seconds to collect his jaw from the floor) and therefore Ukraine isn't a "real" nation and should be part of Russia. And that, in any case, Russia has the borders it chooses, as does any large country.
- roguas 3y agoI was drooling each time he said Poland in that interview. Putin's got special kink for us. Its not well known fact but through weird tricks we ended up ruling Russia for a couple of years. Not a lot of folks on both side knew about it, but then Putin send money for a movie 1612, depicting their heroic retaking of motherland from polish oppressors.
- valval 3y agoOh yeah, Russia will lose any moment now :D
- 7moritz7 3y agoThe fact that Russia, without foreign support or not, has not managed to capture one of the poorest states in Europe is a joke. Imagine the US failing to capture Mexico after 2 years, even if Mexico got weapon supplies from abroad. That would totally discredit the US military.
- riku_iki 3y agoIt could be that moral of Ukrainians is deciding factor: million of civilians ready to turn into soldiers, dig into the ground and die there is very strong force.
- 7moritz7 3y agoThat's a very weird way of phrasing that Russia has barely anything to gain while Ukraine has everything to loose. It's not like Russia needs any further territory, they are the largest country and haven't yet properly integrated the already invaded cultures.
- riku_iki 3y ago> while Ukraine has everything to loose. the point is that many countries through the history surrendered very fast and agreed on whatever aggressor demanded. > It's not like Russia needs any further territory that's Putin's wish, he wants to become some historical figure, and people have little choice but follow to meat grinder
- taravangian 3y agoBut did those countries still have multiple generations that remembered what the invaders did last time they controlled them? And was what the invaders did as bad as the actions of the USSR?
- riku_iki 3y ago> NATO has thousands of planes. You mean US has. And someone like Trump may decide to not engage in conflict as part of NATO.
- Vilian 3y agono, other counteies also bought planes, and produce them too
- riku_iki 3y agobut not in thousands
- 7moritz7 3y agoActually yes, NATO without the US still has several thousand planes.
- riku_iki 3y agosince original topic was about attack aircrafts, my estimate is that NATO without US has several hundreds ready to use attack aircrafts. Specifically largest contributors: Germany, GB, France have 150-200 aircrafts each according to wiki(many of them old and outdated), with half of them likely not ready for combat. If you put various trainer, transportation, support role aircrafts, maybe it will be few thousands.
- yesco 3y agoWasn't Trump just upset NATO members weren't paying their dues? What am I missing here?
- riku_iki 3y agoIts valid critics, but the point is that vast majority of NATO strength depends on current ruler in US who may not necessary decide to protect NATO coutries.