14 ms·
U.S. to Build Pier to Allow Aid Into Gaza by Sea
- matthewfelgate 3y agoGaza should have proper permanent ports. Perhaps managed by the U.S. or the U.N.
- ninja3925 3y agoWhy does the US have to get involved? Wouldn’t Arab countries, be more suited to conduct such operations?
- GaryNumanVevo 3y agoThe US is partially responsible, they've sold Israel most of their armament
- benpacker 3y agoThis action undermines Israel’s blockade, and could be seen as an act of war, so it’s important the US lead the effort. The article does mention that other countries are participating and helping as well though. What’s embarrassing here for the US is that they have to basically force the aid in. They don’t seem willing to use their full leverage to let the aid in the normal way
- dragonwriter 3y ago> What’s embarrassing here for the US is that they have to basically force the aid in. They don’t seem willing to use their full leverage to let the aid in the normal way This is part of the US exercising its "full leverage". Demonstrating that obstruction is ultimately futile is a component of leverage.
- throwaway743 3y agoSure, if they want to jump into a conflict with Israel. US can't be touched like they could. Also, situation is out of hand and US has been indirectly involved. On top of it, it's an election year and the lack of the US speaking up has hurt Biden's numbers.
- searealist 3y agoIsrael is a essentially satelite of the US.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- ta1243 3y agoSome would say the US is a essentially satellite of Israel I had an interesting conversation with some left-leaning friends about a month, who were very much anti-Israel in this. (We're British, educated, and Middle class, so statistically we all lean to the left on a scale of UK politics) I was the only person to have ever been to Israel in the group (I've been to Israel and the West bank more times than I can count, and Gaza several times). They were shocked when I came out with a far more balanced view of the conflict than they had. To them it was black and white oppression of an innocent group of people, and nothing more. They had no concept of the generational hatred that people in Gaza are brainwashed with from birth, on the other hand they also didn't have any concept that there were some Israeli citizens who have spend the last 15 years I've been going there chomping at the bit to drive their tank's into gaza and flatted the entire place. It's hard to blame the brainwashed children in Gaza, or to continue to blame them when they turn 18, but it's also hard to blame the majority of Israelis who are fully aware there are a million people who have been programmed to want to rip them from their beds and gut them in the middle of the night, or for the moderate ones just burn their house down and kick them out of the region. The internet never comes out with any decent progression on the problem, and any subtlety is swiftly lost, but one thing is clear -- nothing is going to get better, and nobody is going to win, neither Palestinians nor for Israelis, for generations.
- searealist 3y agoHere is a headline from today: > Blinken tells Israel that it must act urgently to boost Gaza aid It sounds like an order to me. And considering that I think Israel is a US satellite, I think it will come to pass. Let's wait and see.
- 3y ago
- RoyTyrell 3y agoSure, but I'm not convinced that, apart from annoying Israel or the US, those countries really care. Arms shipments to Hamas perhaps if they could get them in right now, but aid - not likely. Maybe I'm wrong. I just haven't seen the other Arab or Muslim countries really do much when there wasn't a conflict.
- nosefurhairdo 3y ago"Never let a good crisis go to waste." There'll be plenty of new contracts and aid money to go around.
- krapp 3y agoBiden is losing support among the left (which he only tenuously had to begin with) for his support of Israel so he has to try to pivot and pretend to care about Palestinians.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoHis support of Israel is what allows him to pull moves like this, providing more aid to Palestinians than those who more directly support Palestine.
- xchip 3y agoWhy should Arab countries fix a problem they haven't created? This looks to me as a proxy war led by the US, Israel went too far with killing civilians, and now the US needs some PR to look good in the books of history.
- megaman821 3y agoHaven't Arab countries contributed to both sides of this conflict? One, by expelling all Jews in their countries to Israel. Two, by supplying arms and aid to Hamas.
- rickydroll 3y agoyes, Arab countries will fight Israel to the last Palestinian.
- xdennis 3y agoIn Romania, we let our Ukrainian neighbors take refuge with us. Why won't Arabs allow Palestinian refugees in, so that Israel can pursue Hamas without collateral deaths?
- Qem 3y agoBecause Romanian authorities can reasonably believe many of these Ukrainian neighbors will be allowed to return once hostilities are over. In contrast, history has shown once and again that, once Israel manages to expel Palestinians and take their lands, none of them will be allowed to ever return. Taking refugees become the same as abetting ethnic cleansing.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> Why does the US have to get involved? Wouldn’t Arab countries, be more suited to conduct such operations? No, no other country is more suited to, on an emergency basis, construct a port like this.
- pauby 3y agoThis is a blinkered and naive view of the rest of the world.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- goodSteveramos 3y agoHow about we just stop giving Israel more bombs until they agree to let aid in the normal way? I guess this pier is to avoid “putting conditions” on US support for Israel, but it’s literally admitting that Israel is a rogue state that cant be reasoned with. Why is the US giving this country weapons at all?
- loandbehold 3y agoUS support is the only thing preventing Israel from doing what they really want to do: deport Palestinians to neighboring Arab countries. Isolating Israel will turn it into a rogue state with nukes. It would become North Korea of Middle East.
- r00fus 3y agoDeporting them where? Those many refugees could easily destabilize these governments so they are clearly pushing back (Egypt said it would gladly start a war before they were forced to accept refugees). Israel is becoming the North Korea of the Middle East. Their population is openly racist, they celebrate airstrikes against Palestinians. The rest of the world is just finding out more clearly now. (North Korea would cease to exist if China weren't supporting them as a proxy so the analogy is deeper than just nukes).
- weatherlite 3y ago> Their population is openly racist You're openly racist as well maybe you should relocate there
- loandbehold 3y agoArab countries don't want to let Palestinians in because it doesn't serve their long term strategic goal of eliminating Israel. From their point of view, the role of Palestinians is to hold Palestine for Arabs. That's the way they think.
- goodSteveramos 3y ago
- Georgelemental 3y agoIsrael is entirely dependent on US for weapons needed for the war; and yet Biden admin prefers a risky operation like this to applying the slightest pressure to get Israel to allow aid in via land border crossings. Utter humiliation for USA
- tmpz22 3y ago> Utter humiliation for USA Its proportional response. As in having the power to bully your way in but taking a measured approach anyways.
- poulsbohemian 3y ago>Utter humiliation for USA How do you figure? To me this is the US showing leadership and balance - we will both support our ally Israel while also providing humanitarian aid to people we believe have a right to their homeland too.
- uoaei 3y agoBecause it's transparent and obvious that US gets to use their muscle to have it both ways and profit off of the conflict. It is hard to believe that the aid expenditure will exceed the profit from weapons sales.
- Georgelemental 3y ago> Support our ally Israel Aren't allies supposed to help each other out? US has given Israel billions in aid, but Israel refuses to do the bare minimum of allowing aid through its land borders with Gaza. The humiliation is Israel completely ignoring US concerns, and US not only letting them get away with it despite massive leverage at their disposal, but also putting American soldiers at risk to clean up their mess
- SAI_Peregrinus 3y agoThe US wants to have military bases in an friendly nation in a strategically important area (near the middle east oil producers, and near the Suez canal). Israel allows that. That's the main reason the US is so friendly to Israel, all the surrounding countries are far more hostile.
- ftyhbhyjnjk 3y ago[flagged]
- avgDev 3y agoOkay then. Maybe US shouldn't try to help Gaza at all and just focus on supplying our ally in the middle east. Would that be better?
- ftyhbhyjnjk 3y agoYup. Actually yes. At least this way US wouldn't be able to use it's excuse of supporting democracy anytime further in future to get away with more crimes. This will actually result in net decrease in overall trust in US and it's hypocricies. As far as Gazan's go, if US really wished to help them, just stop supporting Israel. That's it. But no. US wouldn't do that. Because now everyone knows where US's true interests lies... this "fact" is now 100% clear to entire world. The speeches about democracy by US and EU and other developed counteies were just a facade to commit crimes in hidden manner. No one now trusts any of the developed countries anymore. time and again have shown them to be utterly corrupt to the core. So yea... instead of "acting" to help Gazan's, US should actually help them.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- xchip 3y agoNice civil discussion, I hope HN doesn't censor it
- avgDev 3y agoSeeing some comments here I doubt this will stay up. Any war/political discussion brings all the crazies out. Edit: Already flagged.
- jmyeet 3y agoAsk yourself these questsions: - Why does the US need to air drop aid into Gaza? - Why does the US need to bring in aid by sea and build a pier as a result? - Why can't aid come in over land through Israel or Egypt? In anytime in the last 5 months, the US could've ended this entire operation with a phone call or a press release.
- kelseyfrog 3y agoThe election?
- foogazi 3y agoRisky for US personnel to get too close to the conflict within range of terrorist missiles
- staringback 3y agoThe United States playing both sides of the game
- recursivedoubts 3y agoseems like a humiliation ritual
- myth_drannon 3y ago[flagged]
- runarberg 3y agoWow, I’m not sure this gets the attention of moderators, but this is like very racist thing to believe.
- morninglight 3y agoWhat is getting flagged here? Every news organization in the world is reporting the same story. Something very strange about the HN choice of what to flag. .
- exolymph 3y agoPeople often flag topics that are guaranteed to descend into partisan shit-flinging.
- ajb 3y agoHopefully this really means 'deploy a mobile pier'. The starvation is rather too urgent to wait for a building project.