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Sweden and Finland are in NATO. Leverage from turkey and Hungary is decreasing, if you haven't seen it. Democracy may be slow, but it's still the best system.

Sweden and Finland are in NATO. Leverage from turkey and Hungary is decreasing, if you haven't seen it. Democracy may be slow, but it's still the best system. Additionally, now support for Ukraine can increase and it should go faster. God, I really hope it goes a lot faster...

dragonwriter 3y ago
Because NATO (for most key decisions) works by full consensus, adding new members (a process which involved Turkey and Hungary using their leverage for concessions, especially Turkey) does not substantially reduce the leverage of existing members (this is also why Russia's bid to move to the front of the line and be admitted ahead of other Easter European applicants, without a readiness process--the real root, not the fact of expansion into Eastern Europe, of Putin's resentment against NATO--was rejected.)
pphysch 3y ago
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- rnk 3y ago
  Can you explain what project is unwinding? It looks to me like Europe is still coming together to resist the danger of Russian invasion. For Nuland, it looks like she had a long career, she had many good roles, she championed protecting Ukraine and there was only one other position for to be promoted to and they promoted someone else. So that seems like a perfect time to leave after a successful career.
  - pphysch 3y ago
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    - Paradigma11 3y ago
      Oh boy, by that account Russia should be in rubbles a year ago. Putin even had to kill off his caterer turned warlord, who staged a mutiny and marched with 5k mercenaries on Moscow and the rest of the country just stood by and watched the show.
    - NicoJuicy 3y ago
      Retreating gives more benefits to Ukraine. If you think anything is defeated, you should look at the facts ( eg. Airplanes downed in the last weeks). Which seems to be more significant to me while f16's are on the way. Retreating is not defeating :)
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- u320 3y ago
  Victoria Nuland is a red flag. Conspiracy theorists are obsessed with her for some reason. Whenever she is brought up, I stop listening. She's not that important.
  - pphysch 3y ago
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    - NicoJuicy 3y ago
      Conspiracy theories see things when things aren't there. She had a political career for 30 years and she claimed to retire. Did you consider that she perhaps just wants to retire? NATO has all the new ( and strong) members that wanted to join. Seems like a good time like any other to me, additionally she's 63. Passed the smell test for me.
      - pphysch 3y ago
        > Conspiracy theories see things when things aren't there Exactly. They make outrageously evidence-free statements like "Victoria Nuland isn't important".

dragonwriter 3y ago

Because NATO (for most key decisions) works by full consensus, adding new members (a process which involved Turkey and Hungary using their leverage for concessions, especially Turkey) does not substantially reduce the leverage of existing members (this is also why Russia's bid to move to the front of the line and be admitted ahead of other Easter European applicants, without a readiness process--the real root, not the fact of expansion into Eastern Europe, of Putin's resentment against NATO--was rejected.)

pphysch 3y ago

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rnk 3y ago
Can you explain what project is unwinding? It looks to me like Europe is still coming together to resist the danger of Russian invasion. For Nuland, it looks like she had a long career, she had many good roles, she championed protecting Ukraine and there was only one other position for to be promoted to and they promoted someone else. So that seems like a perfect time to leave after a successful career.
- pphysch 3y ago
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  - Paradigma11 3y ago
    Oh boy, by that account Russia should be in rubbles a year ago. Putin even had to kill off his caterer turned warlord, who staged a mutiny and marched with 5k mercenaries on Moscow and the rest of the country just stood by and watched the show.
  - NicoJuicy 3y ago
    Retreating gives more benefits to Ukraine. If you think anything is defeated, you should look at the facts ( eg. Airplanes downed in the last weeks). Which seems to be more significant to me while f16's are on the way. Retreating is not defeating :)
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u320 3y ago
Victoria Nuland is a red flag. Conspiracy theorists are obsessed with her for some reason. Whenever she is brought up, I stop listening. She's not that important.
- pphysch 3y ago
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  - NicoJuicy 3y ago
    Conspiracy theories see things when things aren't there. She had a political career for 30 years and she claimed to retire. Did you consider that she perhaps just wants to retire? NATO has all the new ( and strong) members that wanted to join. Seems like a good time like any other to me, additionally she's 63. Passed the smell test for me.
    - pphysch 3y ago
      > Conspiracy theories see things when things aren't there Exactly. They make outrageously evidence-free statements like "Victoria Nuland isn't important".