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Off topic: but that links to cloudflare radar which apparently mines data from 1.1.1.1. I was under the impression that 1.1.1.1 did not use user data for any pu

Off topic: but that links to cloudflare radar which apparently mines data from 1.1.1.1. I was under the impression that 1.1.1.1 did not use user data for any purposes?

kube-system 3y ago
CF doesn't sell it or use it for marketing, but the entire way they even got the addresses was because APNIC wanted to study the garbage traffic to 1.1.1.1.
- amanda99 3y ago
  > CF doesn't sell it or use it for marketing Any source for this? Do you work there? I checked their docs and they say they don't "mine user data", so I wouldn't trust anything they say, at least outside legal documents.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    https://1.1.1.1/dns/ https://1.1.1.1/dns/ > We will never sell your data or use it to target ads. https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/privacy/public-dns-resolver/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/privacy/public-dns... > Cloudflare will not sell or share Public Resolver users’ personal data with third parties or use personal data from the Public Resolver to target any user with advertisements. There's a lot of transparency on that page in particular, down to the lists of the fields in the logs.
    - nullc 3y ago
      Ads are among the most benign things someone could use your private information to do. With your personal information: * Parties can engage in price discrimination against you. (You don't shop around? you've got some extra spending money? double prices! Looking up risky activities? high insurance rates!) * Parties can engage in lawfare and blackmail * Parties can influence elections (without advertising, e.g. by gerrymandering or by targeting your participation in elections just based on knowing how you'll vote) * Parties can target people of your race or beliefs for genocide (oh, sorry, I meant to say "lawful orders of governments") Plus the definition of advertising itself is up to interpretation: is sending someone to your door advertising?
      - kube-system 3y ago
        I agree, but it is not really in CF's interest to engage in any of those activities.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    > so I wouldn't trust anything they say, at least outside legal documents I wouldn't trust them even if it were in legal docs. Companies have a long history of being perfectly fine with breaking the law when doing so is profitable, especially when they're likely to get little more than a slap on the wrist when caught, and the odds of being caught in the first place are slim.

Off topic: but that links to cloudflare radar which apparently mines data from 1.1.1.1. I was under the impression that 1.1.1.1 did not use user data for any purposes?

kube-system 3y ago

CF doesn't sell it or use it for marketing, but the entire way they even got the addresses was because APNIC wanted to study the garbage traffic to 1.1.1.1.

amanda99 3y ago
> CF doesn't sell it or use it for marketing Any source for this? Do you work there? I checked their docs and they say they don't "mine user data", so I wouldn't trust anything they say, at least outside legal documents.
- kube-system 3y ago
  https://1.1.1.1/dns/ https://1.1.1.1/dns/ > We will never sell your data or use it to target ads. https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/privacy/public-dns-resolver/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/1.1.1.1/privacy/public-dns... > Cloudflare will not sell or share Public Resolver users’ personal data with third parties or use personal data from the Public Resolver to target any user with advertisements. There's a lot of transparency on that page in particular, down to the lists of the fields in the logs.
  - nullc 3y ago
    Ads are among the most benign things someone could use your private information to do. With your personal information: * Parties can engage in price discrimination against you. (You don't shop around? you've got some extra spending money? double prices! Looking up risky activities? high insurance rates!) * Parties can engage in lawfare and blackmail * Parties can influence elections (without advertising, e.g. by gerrymandering or by targeting your participation in elections just based on knowing how you'll vote) * Parties can target people of your race or beliefs for genocide (oh, sorry, I meant to say "lawful orders of governments") Plus the definition of advertising itself is up to interpretation: is sending someone to your door advertising?
    - kube-system 3y ago
      I agree, but it is not really in CF's interest to engage in any of those activities.
- autoexec 3y ago
  > so I wouldn't trust anything they say, at least outside legal documents I wouldn't trust them even if it were in legal docs. Companies have a long history of being perfectly fine with breaking the law when doing so is profitable, especially when they're likely to get little more than a slap on the wrist when caught, and the odds of being caught in the first place are slim.