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I love this idea. "AI, please rewrite the contents this page to remove marketing fluff and only display the product's specifications. For every claim made on t

I love this idea. "AI, please rewrite the contents this page to remove marketing fluff and only display the product's specifications. For every claim made on the page about the product's capabilities, add a link to a reputable third-party source validating the claim. For every feature offered by a competing product, rewrite the content to include the top three competing products and generate a hyperlinked table containing the pros/cons of that product, as found on blogs of actual users. Use Marginalia to find all third party references using my saved list of trustworthy sources. Save this instruction as a bookmarklet I can insert into my browser to rewrite the contents of any arbitrary page."

shortrounddev2 3y ago
RIP most software engineering jobs. The whole internet is about advertising
jaclaz 3y ago
Done: ""
- eurekin 3y ago
  I once had a pleasure of delving into the automotive mechanical engineering. Of course, most, if not all, materials ingested by OpenAI were obvious marketing straight from the brands website. I started out the conversation multiple times anew, with explicit rules forbidding certain phrases. I couldn't make it stop throwing stuff like "best in class", "advanced", "sophisticated" no matter, what I did. There will be demand for gpt's trained on an actual engineering material and it could actually be a huge gamechanger for that market.
  - nickpsecurity 3y ago
    That’s what I thought would happen. Actually, I thought it might be an easy way to get piles of text for LLM training. But we’d have to counter the bias or mostly use that one in highly-positive, enthusiastic applications. I did have a partial solution. Look at WizardLM Uncensored: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1384u1g/wizardlm7buncensored/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1384u1g/wizardl... The author just deleted from the training data content with specific words likely to bias it. The test afterwards showed it worked. Reusing their concept, I think we could just remove or edit for honesty common words and phrases in marketing material. You’ve given some good examples. We could also do that for “scientific” papers which oversell their results. Or anything else where what’s presented as certain is modified to say source(s) X claimed Y. Foundational materials, which trainers vet for quality, would get a lot more training runs before, during, and after riskier material. I think there’s a lot of potential here by just trimming the fat out of otherwise useful documents. The LLM’s we build to support the work might also become great, lie detectors.
  - distances 3y ago
    This seems to be some ChatGPT limitation. I also wanted it to omit certain phrases from the responses I tried to generate, but no amount of rules and explicit orders helped -- it would always include the same wording.
    - scotty79 3y ago
      I guess not enough examples of how to correctly respond to commands that tell it to omit something were in the training materials.
  - Terr_ 3y ago
    > There will be demand for gpt's trained on an actual engineering material and it could actually be a huge gamechanger for that market. I imagine there will also be a lot of kinda-fraudulent supply from people who think: "I'll just take a cheap/commodity (badly) trained LLM, find just the right set of whack-a-mole prompts to make it appear to be making good output, and until customers catch-on the difference is pure profit." Or perhaps they're open about it, and many customers just decide bad results cheap is better than premium data, which is... not a heartening thought.
up2isomorphism 3y ago
That would be deemed as "irresponsible AI" from Google's perspective.
- kiicia 3y ago
  They would rather allow generating images of white males than stripping ads lol
- m-p-3 3y ago
  Which is why I hope Mozilla do it.
- mostlysimilar 3y ago
  Google will be just fine stuffing advertisements into/around the response to this prompt.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Yea, but I run that output over a second local AI that removes the ads :D
    - luckman212 3y ago
      And can I we add a 3rd AI to sit in my chair and operate this cursed machine so I can go the fuck back outside, breathe some fresh air and touch grass, thanks
    - scotty79 3y ago
      And that's how the first AI vs AI war for real stakes begins.
      - aitchnyu 3y ago
        An adversary (as in the A in GAN) situated outside of the generating process/company.
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
Overtonwindow 3y ago
With Google manipulating AI results this is not guaranteed to work, but would help identify the human intervention.
gumby 3y ago
It's a form of lossy compression, using AI to ditch all the filler and cruft that had been inserted by the marketers' AI systems.
- mckirk 3y ago
  Even worse, it's a form of lossy expansion.
  - gumby 3y ago
    But do the two zero each other out? Basically someone writes "X". It then gets expanded (not compressed) into some "AI" marketing cruft and transmitted. The receiver distills it back to "X" or something close to that. SMH

shortrounddev2 3y ago

RIP most software engineering jobs. The whole internet is about advertising

jaclaz 3y ago

Done: ""

eurekin 3y ago
I once had a pleasure of delving into the automotive mechanical engineering. Of course, most, if not all, materials ingested by OpenAI were obvious marketing straight from the brands website. I started out the conversation multiple times anew, with explicit rules forbidding certain phrases. I couldn't make it stop throwing stuff like "best in class", "advanced", "sophisticated" no matter, what I did. There will be demand for gpt's trained on an actual engineering material and it could actually be a huge gamechanger for that market.
- nickpsecurity 3y ago
  That’s what I thought would happen. Actually, I thought it might be an easy way to get piles of text for LLM training. But we’d have to counter the bias or mostly use that one in highly-positive, enthusiastic applications. I did have a partial solution. Look at WizardLM Uncensored: https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1384u1g/wizardlm7buncensored/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1384u1g/wizardl... The author just deleted from the training data content with specific words likely to bias it. The test afterwards showed it worked. Reusing their concept, I think we could just remove or edit for honesty common words and phrases in marketing material. You’ve given some good examples. We could also do that for “scientific” papers which oversell their results. Or anything else where what’s presented as certain is modified to say source(s) X claimed Y. Foundational materials, which trainers vet for quality, would get a lot more training runs before, during, and after riskier material. I think there’s a lot of potential here by just trimming the fat out of otherwise useful documents. The LLM’s we build to support the work might also become great, lie detectors.
- distances 3y ago
  This seems to be some ChatGPT limitation. I also wanted it to omit certain phrases from the responses I tried to generate, but no amount of rules and explicit orders helped -- it would always include the same wording.
  - scotty79 3y ago
    I guess not enough examples of how to correctly respond to commands that tell it to omit something were in the training materials.
- Terr_ 3y ago
  > There will be demand for gpt's trained on an actual engineering material and it could actually be a huge gamechanger for that market. I imagine there will also be a lot of kinda-fraudulent supply from people who think: "I'll just take a cheap/commodity (badly) trained LLM, find just the right set of whack-a-mole prompts to make it appear to be making good output, and until customers catch-on the difference is pure profit." Or perhaps they're open about it, and many customers just decide bad results cheap is better than premium data, which is... not a heartening thought.

up2isomorphism 3y ago

That would be deemed as "irresponsible AI" from Google's perspective.

kiicia 3y ago
They would rather allow generating images of white males than stripping ads lol
m-p-3 3y ago
Which is why I hope Mozilla do it.
mostlysimilar 3y ago
Google will be just fine stuffing advertisements into/around the response to this prompt.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Yea, but I run that output over a second local AI that removes the ads :D
  - luckman212 3y ago
    And can I we add a 3rd AI to sit in my chair and operate this cursed machine so I can go the fuck back outside, breathe some fresh air and touch grass, thanks
  - scotty79 3y ago
    And that's how the first AI vs AI war for real stakes begins.
    - aitchnyu 3y ago
      An adversary (as in the A in GAN) situated outside of the generating process/company.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago

Overtonwindow 3y ago

With Google manipulating AI results this is not guaranteed to work, but would help identify the human intervention.

gumby 3y ago

It's a form of lossy compression, using AI to ditch all the filler and cruft that had been inserted by the marketers' AI systems.

mckirk 3y ago
Even worse, it's a form of lossy expansion.
- gumby 3y ago
  But do the two zero each other out? Basically someone writes "X". It then gets expanded (not compressed) into some "AI" marketing cruft and transmitted. The receiver distills it back to "X" or something close to that. SMH