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Authoritarian models are not efficient in anyway, they can project the image of being efficient but that does not mean they are. They are worse in every way apa

by howerj 3y ago

Authoritarian models are not efficient in anyway, they can project the image of being efficient but that does not mean they are. They are worse in every way apart from complete disorder and chaos.

keepamovin 3y ago
Any real governing model cannot afford to be entirely authoritarian or entirely libertarian. It seems it has to have a mix of qualities. How can you enforce legislation without authority? But also, how can you foster innovation without liberty? Well, the question of the specific make up of an entire governing model, complex as that would be, is an important question. I don’t think it’s the question that’s key here. What I was referring to was we need a world that is without borders and doesn’t incentivize existential competition between different groups. We’re smart enough to figure out how to all get along if we can just be better, than the way we’re made. Compulsive, animal natures.
ben_w 3y ago
Corporations are, in most cases, much more authoritarian than democratic. With a few exceptions, workers don't get a vote in the running of a corporation. To the extent that they do, it's usually in the form of unions or the very rare category of worker cooperatives. Even for countries, they absolutely can be efficient, it's just the efficiency is directed at stuff The Leader wants rather than stuff The People want.
- howerj 3y ago
  The authoritarianism of corporations cannot be compared that of a state, workers might not get a vote but they are free to leave a corporation in a free society, and corporations do not have the power to arrest people (I'm aware of exceptions). They're also subject to much higher selective pressure than states which helps keep them in check. I was talking about overall and general efficiency, authoritarian states are less economically, militarily and scientifically efficient than their freer counterparts. They may be effective at pursuing specific policy goals, and there are authoritarian states that have sufficient mass that they can achieve a lot in any given field, but they are usually more effective at giving the appearance of effectiveness that they are than actually achieving anything. Either way, effectiveness is not efficiency.

by howerj 3y ago

Authoritarian models are not efficient in anyway, they can project the image of being efficient but that does not mean they are. They are worse in every way apart from complete disorder and chaos.

keepamovin 3y ago

Any real governing model cannot afford to be entirely authoritarian or entirely libertarian. It seems it has to have a mix of qualities. How can you enforce legislation without authority? But also, how can you foster innovation without liberty? Well, the question of the specific make up of an entire governing model, complex as that would be, is an important question. I don’t think it’s the question that’s key here. What I was referring to was we need a world that is without borders and doesn’t incentivize existential competition between different groups. We’re smart enough to figure out how to all get along if we can just be better, than the way we’re made. Compulsive, animal natures.

ben_w 3y ago

Corporations are, in most cases, much more authoritarian than democratic. With a few exceptions, workers don't get a vote in the running of a corporation. To the extent that they do, it's usually in the form of unions or the very rare category of worker cooperatives. Even for countries, they absolutely can be efficient, it's just the efficiency is directed at stuff The Leader wants rather than stuff The People want.

howerj 3y ago
The authoritarianism of corporations cannot be compared that of a state, workers might not get a vote but they are free to leave a corporation in a free society, and corporations do not have the power to arrest people (I'm aware of exceptions). They're also subject to much higher selective pressure than states which helps keep them in check. I was talking about overall and general efficiency, authoritarian states are less economically, militarily and scientifically efficient than their freer counterparts. They may be effective at pursuing specific policy goals, and there are authoritarian states that have sufficient mass that they can achieve a lot in any given field, but they are usually more effective at giving the appearance of effectiveness that they are than actually achieving anything. Either way, effectiveness is not efficiency.