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Finally. I'm going to celebrate by opening a bottle of red wine from Ukraine, seems fitting.

by lawn 3y ago

rsynnott 3y ago
I was about to say that it'd beat a bottle of wine from Sweden, anyway, but felt the need to fact-check my joke, and apparently Swedish wine is a thing!
- hinkley 3y ago
  There’s a little wine country just off of Lake Superior. The water buffers the temperatures enough to keep grapes happy. I know the Baltic is probably colder than Lake Superior, but it sounds like it works anyway.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    Looking at the weather averages for Duluth (chosen at random), no, that actually looks probably colder than the heavily populated bits of Sweden, certainly in the winter.
    - hinkley 3y ago
      The wine region is the little corner of Michigan just north of Indiana. They also do apples and cheese. I’m not sure how far north the region extends, but I’ve been there a few times. So that’s quite a bit farther south than the Swedish peninsula.
      - rsynnott 3y ago
        So, _London_ is further north than anywhere in the contiguous United States. But obviously much warmer than a lot of it, particularly in winter (London rarely gets far below 0 Celsius). Latitude very much isn’t everything.
        hinkley 3y ago
        Yeah the ocean does a lot. If you look at the prevailing winds off of the eastern atlantic, it looks a lot like Southern Sweden gets the same air that London does. Plus there's a couple of considerable lakes along that path, so grapes do seem plausible.
tharmas 3y ago
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- gruturo 3y ago
  >Was it worth it What extremely stupid question is that? They didn't choose to get invaded. You think we shouldn't have helped? Pity we're not helping enough.
  - tharmas 3y ago
    Why is it a stupid question? Their country is destroyed. The demographics are abysmal. All the youth destroyed. The USA and Ukraine should've negotiated a deal years and years ago that Ukraine would be a neutral state and NOT join NATO. Ukraine will never join NATO. USA knows that that will trigger Nuclear War.
    - Gibbon1 3y ago
      If Russia uses nukes the president will order a non nuclear strike that kills Putin.
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- Hamuko 3y ago
  Are you trying to say that Ukraine would've preferred to be completely taken over by Russia?
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    On the one hand, Ukrainians are being killed (although GP is incorrect -- Ukraine has specifically been drafting older, non-youth people) and their industry is being bombed. On the other hand, they're still a sovereign, free state. Opinions may vary on which of those is more important. As historical context, I would point out that the last time ethnic Russians controlled Ukraine, they killed 3M+ of them via starvation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
euroderf 3y ago
Try their beer. Obolon is good stuff.

Finally. I'm going to celebrate by opening a bottle of red wine from Ukraine, seems fitting.

by lawn 3y ago

Finally. I'm going to celebrate by opening a bottle of red wine from Ukraine, seems fitting.

I was about to say that it'd beat a bottle of wine from Sweden, anyway, but felt the need to fact-check my joke, and apparently Swedish wine is a thing!

hinkley 3y ago
There’s a little wine country just off of Lake Superior. The water buffers the temperatures enough to keep grapes happy. I know the Baltic is probably colder than Lake Superior, but it sounds like it works anyway.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  Looking at the weather averages for Duluth (chosen at random), no, that actually looks probably colder than the heavily populated bits of Sweden, certainly in the winter.
  - hinkley 3y ago
    The wine region is the little corner of Michigan just north of Indiana. They also do apples and cheese. I’m not sure how far north the region extends, but I’ve been there a few times. So that’s quite a bit farther south than the Swedish peninsula.
    - rsynnott 3y ago
      So, _London_ is further north than anywhere in the contiguous United States. But obviously much warmer than a lot of it, particularly in winter (London rarely gets far below 0 Celsius). Latitude very much isn’t everything.
      - hinkley 3y ago
        Yeah the ocean does a lot. If you look at the prevailing winds off of the eastern atlantic, it looks a lot like Southern Sweden gets the same air that London does. Plus there's a couple of considerable lakes along that path, so grapes do seem plausible.

tharmas 3y ago

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gruturo 3y ago
>Was it worth it What extremely stupid question is that? They didn't choose to get invaded. You think we shouldn't have helped? Pity we're not helping enough.
- tharmas 3y ago
  Why is it a stupid question? Their country is destroyed. The demographics are abysmal. All the youth destroyed. The USA and Ukraine should've negotiated a deal years and years ago that Ukraine would be a neutral state and NOT join NATO. Ukraine will never join NATO. USA knows that that will trigger Nuclear War.
  - Gibbon1 3y ago
    If Russia uses nukes the president will order a non nuclear strike that kills Putin.
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Hamuko 3y ago
Are you trying to say that Ukraine would've preferred to be completely taken over by Russia?
- ethbr1 3y ago
  On the one hand, Ukrainians are being killed (although GP is incorrect -- Ukraine has specifically been drafting older, non-youth people) and their industry is being bombed. On the other hand, they're still a sovereign, free state. Opinions may vary on which of those is more important. As historical context, I would point out that the last time ethnic Russians controlled Ukraine, they killed 3M+ of them via starvation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

euroderf 3y ago

Try their beer. Obolon is good stuff.