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> It's the stated policy of the Chinese government stated as in? Can you share some source.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat/chinese-talent-plans https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_t...
- blackoil 3y ago
  > All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of. That's as vague as it can be. Does any country not have similar laws?
  - josephh 3y ago
    Which countries have laws that require their citizens to "support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts"?
  - EasyMark 3y ago
    I've never heard of that as a requirement for US citizens. I mean the government can't compel you to be a spy (industrial or espionage) last I checked. I'd be happy to be corrected. I mean you can totally volunteer for it though, of course.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      nothing prevents government from creating such law or executive order if necessary.
      - nindalf 3y ago
        Nothing except the Constitution. Seems like an open and shut 1A case.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        How 1A can protect from this? It is essentially draft.
        nindalf 3y ago
        The government forcing you to reveal information you know is compelled speech. That’s a 1A violation, feels like.
  - tivert 3y ago
    >> All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of. > That's as vague as it can be. Remember: China doesn't really have "rule of law." I understand vague laws are pretty par for the course in Chinese law. It makes it easier for the "law" to be bent by officials to achieve their goals. > Does any country not have similar laws? I doubt the US does. The CIA can't press you into becoming an agent.

https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-china-threat/chinese-talent-plans https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/counterintelligence/the-chin... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_t...

blackoil 3y ago
> All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of. That's as vague as it can be. Does any country not have similar laws?
- josephh 3y ago
  Which countries have laws that require their citizens to "support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts"?
- EasyMark 3y ago
  I've never heard of that as a requirement for US citizens. I mean the government can't compel you to be a spy (industrial or espionage) last I checked. I'd be happy to be corrected. I mean you can totally volunteer for it though, of course.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    nothing prevents government from creating such law or executive order if necessary.
    - nindalf 3y ago
      Nothing except the Constitution. Seems like an open and shut 1A case.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        How 1A can protect from this? It is essentially draft.
        nindalf 3y ago
        The government forcing you to reveal information you know is compelled speech. That’s a 1A violation, feels like.
- tivert 3y ago
  >> All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of. > That's as vague as it can be. Remember: China doesn't really have "rule of law." I understand vague laws are pretty par for the course in Chinese law. It makes it easier for the "law" to be bent by officials to achieve their goals. > Does any country not have similar laws? I doubt the US does. The CIA can't press you into becoming an agent.