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If you select target liberally enough, classify combatants on liberal enough criteria and use munition liberal enough, as shown by IDF reports, numbers and whis

by hef19898 3y ago

If you select target liberally enough, classify combatants on liberal enough criteria and use munition liberal enough, as shown by IDF reports, numbers and whistelblower accounts, the colleteral damage becomes the target. And hell, you are really surprised after everything Israel did in Gaza so far, that support for Hamas rises? Really? I suggest to whatch the first season of Andor for an in-depth explanation of why a hard crackdown is usually only hardening resistence.

golergka 3y ago
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- hef19898 3y ago
  Not sure what want to say, but here some dates, courtesy of wiki: - Hamas won 42.5% in the elections in 2006, no elections took place since - Hamas support was not strong, based in the few pols done, it increased after Israels attack And the last bit what is so not surprising. Edit: If you are interested in how we ended up with this cluster fuck, wikipedia is good place. Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context. I don't have everything in my head, and reading up yourself is way faster than me retyping a summary. Israel not leveling Gaza would have a great option.
  - diordiderot 3y ago
    > Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context Can't forget 1937 (what happened before Nakba) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_... Or 1929 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text=The%20Hebron%20massacre%20was%20the,scores%20seriously%20wounded%20or%20maimed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text.... Or 900 CE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=The%20Rashidun%20Caliphate%20(Arabic%3A%20%D9%B1%D9%84%D9%92%D8%AE%D9%90%D9%84%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8E%D8%A9%D9%8F,632%20CE%20(11%20AH) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=T.... Or 1000 BCE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_mo...
  - golergka 3y ago
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    - hef19898 3y ago
      Genozid and ethinic cleansing are not an act of self defence. That people fail to see that is troublesome. And no, I won't go back to King David and the Romans. The current conflict between Palestinians and Israel can be traced back to right after WW2. That's were the interesting events start. Going back further is not helpful.
      - golergka 3y ago
        That's your choice, but it's just an arbitrary point in time, by which Arabs have airway been slaughtering Jews for generations. You could have just as well choose last week as a starting point.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Pointless to further discuss with you.
    - runarberg 3y ago
      > Calling what happened in 2006 “an election” is not a good idea. From Wikipedia: > An 84-delegate international observer delegation monitored the elections. It judged the elections to have been peaceful and well-administered.[33] Twenty-seven members of the European parliament were included. Edward McMillan-Scott, the British Conservative head of the European Parliament's monitoring team described the polls as "extremely professional, in line with international standards, free, transparent and without violence". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election#Atmosphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e... So a very large team of international observer agreed that this election was fair and the results accurate. Why do you claim it wasn’t? > Thats way too late. You better start at Arab colonization of the region in 17-19th century You are talking about the Ottoman Turks (not Arabs) who ruled Palestine between 1516 and 1914 (with some pauses in the 19th century). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Ottoman_period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Ottoman_p... I think your anti-Arab sentiments are showing.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > Hamas won 42.5% in the elections in 2006, no elections took place since ...because Israel (which still occupies and directly administers some of the territory involved) has refused to cooperate with joint PA/Hamas agreements on subsequent all-Palestine elections, preferring to freeze in place the current split and presence of "elected" governments that most people subject to weren't eligible to vote (and in Gaza, where the median age is about the interval since the election, its right on the edge of the the majority not even having been alive) at the last election.

golergka 3y ago

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hef19898 3y ago
Not sure what want to say, but here some dates, courtesy of wiki: - Hamas won 42.5% in the elections in 2006, no elections took place since - Hamas support was not strong, based in the few pols done, it increased after Israels attack And the last bit what is so not surprising. Edit: If you are interested in how we ended up with this cluster fuck, wikipedia is good place. Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context. I don't have everything in my head, and reading up yourself is way faster than me retyping a summary. Israel not leveling Gaza would have a great option.
- diordiderot 3y ago
  > Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context Can't forget 1937 (what happened before Nakba) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_... Or 1929 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text=The%20Hebron%20massacre%20was%20the,scores%20seriously%20wounded%20or%20maimed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text.... Or 900 CE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=The%20Rashidun%20Caliphate%20(Arabic%3A%20%D9%B1%D9%84%D9%92%D8%AE%D9%90%D9%84%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8E%D8%A9%D9%8F,632%20CE%20(11%20AH) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=T.... Or 1000 BCE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_mo...
- golergka 3y ago
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  - hef19898 3y ago
    Genozid and ethinic cleansing are not an act of self defence. That people fail to see that is troublesome. And no, I won't go back to King David and the Romans. The current conflict between Palestinians and Israel can be traced back to right after WW2. That's were the interesting events start. Going back further is not helpful.
    - golergka 3y ago
      That's your choice, but it's just an arbitrary point in time, by which Arabs have airway been slaughtering Jews for generations. You could have just as well choose last week as a starting point.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Pointless to further discuss with you.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    > Calling what happened in 2006 “an election” is not a good idea. From Wikipedia: > An 84-delegate international observer delegation monitored the elections. It judged the elections to have been peaceful and well-administered.[33] Twenty-seven members of the European parliament were included. Edward McMillan-Scott, the British Conservative head of the European Parliament's monitoring team described the polls as "extremely professional, in line with international standards, free, transparent and without violence". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election#Atmosphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_e... So a very large team of international observer agreed that this election was fair and the results accurate. Why do you claim it wasn’t? > Thats way too late. You better start at Arab colonization of the region in 17-19th century You are talking about the Ottoman Turks (not Arabs) who ruled Palestine between 1516 and 1914 (with some pauses in the 19th century). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Ottoman_period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Ottoman_p... I think your anti-Arab sentiments are showing.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Hamas won 42.5% in the elections in 2006, no elections took place since ...because Israel (which still occupies and directly administers some of the territory involved) has refused to cooperate with joint PA/Hamas agreements on subsequent all-Palestine elections, preferring to freeze in place the current split and presence of "elected" governments that most people subject to weren't eligible to vote (and in Gaza, where the median age is about the interval since the election, its right on the edge of the the majority not even having been alive) at the last election.