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Isn't 10k already pretty budget price for a _professional_ video camera? Like film class. At least the film ones (like ARRI Alexa) approach 100k and can be ren

by atonse 3y ago

Isn't 10k already pretty budget price for a _professional_ video camera? Like film class. At least the film ones (like ARRI Alexa) approach 100k and can be rented as a result. I think the panavision ones were even more back in the day, but not 100% sure.

tombert 3y ago
That's fair, but using computers as an analogy: a professional-grade computer from the 90's (e.g. a Silicon Graphics machine) used in professional films would cost like $40,000, but now you can buy something orders of magnitude more powerful than a 90's era SGI workstation for peanuts; virtually any modern gaming rig made in the last 15 years or will outperform even a top of the line SGI from 1995, because computer hardware prices have benefited enormously from industrialization. I realize it's not apples to apples, but I first heard about the Red One 4k in 2008, about 16 years ago, but it doesn't feel like prices have dropped in the same way that computer prices have. In fact, it's hard to even get a used one from 2008 for less than a grand right now. I'm not even claiming that it's overpriced, not everything can drop to near-zero-margins like computer hardware can and make up for it in scale. I just really want to use a pro-grade camera and I don't want to spend $10+k to do it.
- atonse 3y ago
  Yeah the Reds are really nice, but I (a consumer) haven't been able to tell the difference between what a RED can do and what, say, a $7k SLR type camera could do, film-wise. So honestly not sure if there is a market of people who can tell a difference between those AND people that are looking to cut costs on the camera because their film crew's time would be much more expensive. (Mostly thinking out loud, doesn't intuitively add up to me.)
  - tombert 3y ago
    Absolutely; if you're a movie studio buying a new pro camera ever five years, it doesn't really matter what the camera costs. You can very easily buy a new camera for basically any price, and it'll still be like .01% of the cost of the budget.

by atonse 3y ago

tombert 3y ago

That's fair, but using computers as an analogy: a professional-grade computer from the 90's (e.g. a Silicon Graphics machine) used in professional films would cost like $40,000, but now you can buy something orders of magnitude more powerful than a 90's era SGI workstation for peanuts; virtually any modern gaming rig made in the last 15 years or will outperform even a top of the line SGI from 1995, because computer hardware prices have benefited enormously from industrialization. I realize it's not apples to apples, but I first heard about the Red One 4k in 2008, about 16 years ago, but it doesn't feel like prices have dropped in the same way that computer prices have. In fact, it's hard to even get a used one from 2008 for less than a grand right now. I'm not even claiming that it's overpriced, not everything can drop to near-zero-margins like computer hardware can and make up for it in scale. I just really want to use a pro-grade camera and I don't want to spend $10+k to do it.

atonse 3y ago
Yeah the Reds are really nice, but I (a consumer) haven't been able to tell the difference between what a RED can do and what, say, a $7k SLR type camera could do, film-wise. So honestly not sure if there is a market of people who can tell a difference between those AND people that are looking to cut costs on the camera because their film crew's time would be much more expensive. (Mostly thinking out loud, doesn't intuitively add up to me.)
- tombert 3y ago
  Absolutely; if you're a movie studio buying a new pro camera ever five years, it doesn't really matter what the camera costs. You can very easily buy a new camera for basically any price, and it'll still be like .01% of the cost of the budget.