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The entire history of man counters this. So while you might be advocating for some Star Trek world peace fantasy, historical and present realities differ. And t

The entire history of man counters this. So while you might be advocating for some Star Trek world peace fantasy, historical and present realities differ. And that reality is what leadership and everyday people live in. A zero sum game.

keepamovin 3y ago
Nota zero sum game, but about history I agree with you man but we can do better.
abetusk 3y ago
I think you're getting at a basic fallacy. This is not a zero sum game. This is a positive sum game. The worlds population has been steadily growing for the past 10,000 years. The quality of life has mostly increased. We're figuring out more efficient ways to extract energy from the resources around us, including the sun. We don't live in a post-scarcity world but we also don't live in a zero-sum world either.
- antisthenes 3y ago
  > I think you're getting at a basic fallacy. This is not a zero sum game. This is a positive sum game. You don't get to sweep many zero-aspects of life that are zero-sum, by calling it a fallacy, under the rug. Many scenarios in life are game-theoretical with tradeoffs, where deviation from the greater sum results in higher rewards for individual actors. Until you solve it, you don't get to say "ItS noT ZeRo Sum!!11"
  - abetusk 3y ago
    > You don't get to sweep many zero-aspects of life that are zero-sum, by calling it a fallacy, under the rug. Declaring life as a zero-sum game doesn't make it so. I didn't just declare life as a positive sum game, I gave some basic counter examples to your claim that life is a zero sum game. > Many scenarios in life are game-theoretical with tradeoffs, where deviation from the greater sum results in higher rewards for individual actors ... This is a separate phenomena. It sounds like you're alluding to the Prisoner's Dilemma problem [0]. Notably, many formulations of the Prisoner's Dilemma problem are not zero-sum [1]. I never said game theoretic ideas don't apply nor did I claim that individual rewards could inhibit global reward, I specifically addressed your claim about it being zero sum. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma [1] http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html
  - callalex 3y ago
    An example or two would really help your case here. Right now your comment just comes across as “I’m rubber and you’re glue”.

keepamovin 3y ago

Nota zero sum game, but about history I agree with you man but we can do better.

abetusk 3y ago

I think you're getting at a basic fallacy. This is not a zero sum game. This is a positive sum game. The worlds population has been steadily growing for the past 10,000 years. The quality of life has mostly increased. We're figuring out more efficient ways to extract energy from the resources around us, including the sun. We don't live in a post-scarcity world but we also don't live in a zero-sum world either.

antisthenes 3y ago
> I think you're getting at a basic fallacy. This is not a zero sum game. This is a positive sum game. You don't get to sweep many zero-aspects of life that are zero-sum, by calling it a fallacy, under the rug. Many scenarios in life are game-theoretical with tradeoffs, where deviation from the greater sum results in higher rewards for individual actors. Until you solve it, you don't get to say "ItS noT ZeRo Sum!!11"
- abetusk 3y ago
  > You don't get to sweep many zero-aspects of life that are zero-sum, by calling it a fallacy, under the rug. Declaring life as a zero-sum game doesn't make it so. I didn't just declare life as a positive sum game, I gave some basic counter examples to your claim that life is a zero sum game. > Many scenarios in life are game-theoretical with tradeoffs, where deviation from the greater sum results in higher rewards for individual actors ... This is a separate phenomena. It sounds like you're alluding to the Prisoner's Dilemma problem [0]. Notably, many formulations of the Prisoner's Dilemma problem are not zero-sum [1]. I never said game theoretic ideas don't apply nor did I claim that individual rewards could inhibit global reward, I specifically addressed your claim about it being zero sum. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma [1] http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/PRISDIL.html
- callalex 3y ago
  An example or two would really help your case here. Right now your comment just comes across as “I’m rubber and you’re glue”.