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why is it that only the EU seems to care about Internet privacy?

by drgo 3y ago

mrtksn 3y ago
Not true at all, USA begin to care about it too with foreign companies(TikTok) gaining traction in the American market. Up until now, these tech giants were all American and therefore under American control in American jurisdiction. For EU, it was always the case that the dominant tech giants were foreign - only setting up shops in EU for tax purposes. Besides EU, other countries have protections in place too.
- diggan 3y ago
  > Not true at all, USA begin to care about it too with foreign companies(TikTok) gaining traction in the American market I'm not sure banning foreign competitors count as "caring about internet privacy". Has there been anything lately to actually protect internet privacy in the US?
  - troupo 3y ago
    There's California's Consumer Privacy Act: https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa
- sph 3y ago
  The US government's interest in TikTok is mostly a question of national security, not privacy. If they wanted to fight for privacy, they wouldn't have to go to China to find egregious mishandling of personal data. There are plenty of examples well within their borders.
- clawoo 3y ago
  > Not true at all, USA begin to care about it too with foreign companies(TikTok) gaining traction in the American market. You can't seriously believe this. It's quite obvious that the TikTok debacle is mostly a protectionist measure for Facebook & Google who are looking to get their money's worth for their lobby.
kkzz99 3y ago
You may not know, but China has also adopted pretty elaborate privacy laws called Personal Information Protection Law(PIPL) which is pretty close to GDPR.
- piva00 3y ago
  And Brazil adopted the LGPD back in 2018, it's very similar to the GDPR.
- prewett 3y ago
  Good for China, but since they have CCP people in every group to report on people, neighbors in every community whose job it is to report on people, do things like WeChat dropping messages containing unwanted content, censor people's postings, I'm skeptical how much privacy people are really getting. Sure, maybe BigCo can't build a profile on you, but I'd much rather have BigCo know everything about me than the State. Especially when the State is totalitarian.
  - zrn900 3y ago
    Yeah they also burn witches and stone adulterers. And some other sh*t. Its amazing how those in the west worry more about a country that has no power on them instead of the psychos who can kidnap, torture or disappear them at whim. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/14/the-u-s-carried-out-extraordinary-rendition-flights-from-2001-2005-here-are-15-more-countries-that-helped/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/1...
  - oarsinsync 3y ago
    > I'd much rather have BigCo know everything about me than the State Sure, for the state to snoop on you, especially in the USA, they’re supposed to need judicial oversight and approval, which is arguably a better system, than having the state snooping on you without any oversight. Is this still meaningful in a world where BigCo is snooping on you, and then able to sell that information to the state without any oversight? Is there a point where BigCo should be treated as a part of the state, that’s just being funded partially by your tax dollars? Is there a meaningful difference between the state building a snooping infrastructure itself, or outsourcing that to a private contractor who provides Snooping as a Service?
esperent 3y ago
More and more countries are following the EU's lead. For example, Vietnam's PDPD is similar to GDPR (stricter in some ways) and is coming into force on July 1st: https://blog.didomi.io/vietnam-data-privacy-law-pdpd-everything-you-need-to-know https://blog.didomi.io/vietnam-data-privacy-law-pdpd-everyth... However, I guess we won't talk much about Vietnam's new law on the English speaking web, whether it's successful or not. Purely because we don't talk or hear much of anything about Vietnam's internal policies on the English speaking web. While we will continue to discuss every tiny detail about the GDPR.
- ChocolateGod 3y ago
  > While we will continue to discuss every tiny detail about the GDPR Because large legislation by the EU like the GDPR and DMA has the the Brussels effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect
- toyg 3y ago
  That's just because the GDPR applies to the richest market on Earth (by some metrics), which won't be the case for anything regarding Vietnam.
  - overstay8930 3y ago
    The only metrics that say that are metrics that are fake, the US market is significantly larger than the EU market.
    - toyg 3y ago
      Call it second-largest, the point still holds.
    - Propelloni 3y ago
      Why would they be fake? Can't they just be wrong?
lambersley 3y ago
In Canada, Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) was updated in 2015 to require user consent not unlike GDPR() https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/privacy-topics/technology/online-privacy-tracking-cookies/tracking-and-ads/gl_ba_1112/ https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/privacy-topics/technology/online-p...
secondcoming 3y ago
California has CCPA, Utah, Conneticut, Virginia and Colorado have Internet privacy laws. Canada has its own version of TCF. There are loads, and loads more are coming.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  > Utah, Conneticut, Virginia and Colorado have Internet privacy laws No plans for a US federal regulation here? Wouldn't that save a lot of money and headache for everyone, if instead of complying with 50 different regulations you had one?
  - secondcoming 3y ago
    There is the concept of a 'US National' set of regulations too. IANAL, so I don't know if it's a Federal regulation. It's about to become increasingly tedious to be a website operator. https://github.com/InteractiveAdvertisingBureau/Global-Privacy-Platform/blob/main/Sections/US-National/IAB%20Privacy%E2%80%99s%20National%20Privacy%20Technical%20Specification.md https://github.com/InteractiveAdvertisingBureau/Global-Priva...
  - overstay8930 3y ago
    The federal government has a lot less power than a lot of people think, there are limits to control over interstate commerce and nobody wants Google to be regulated like a telephone company.
    - tcptomato 3y ago
      You should google Wickard v. Filburn. The US Supreme Court ruled that the US government can regulate what you grow on your own land for your own consumption, because it affects inter-state trade.
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why is it that only the EU seems to care about Internet privacy?

by drgo 3y ago

why is it that only the EU seems to care about Internet privacy?

Not true at all, USA begin to care about it too with foreign companies(TikTok) gaining traction in the American market. Up until now, these tech giants were all American and therefore under American control in American jurisdiction. For EU, it was always the case that the dominant tech giants were foreign - only setting up shops in EU for tax purposes. Besides EU, other countries have protections in place too.

diggan 3y ago
> Not true at all, USA begin to care about it too with foreign companies(TikTok) gaining traction in the American market I'm not sure banning foreign competitors count as "caring about internet privacy". Has there been anything lately to actually protect internet privacy in the US?
- troupo 3y ago
  There's California's Consumer Privacy Act: https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa
sph 3y ago
The US government's interest in TikTok is mostly a question of national security, not privacy. If they wanted to fight for privacy, they wouldn't have to go to China to find egregious mishandling of personal data. There are plenty of examples well within their borders.
clawoo 3y ago
> Not true at all, USA begin to care about it too with foreign companies(TikTok) gaining traction in the American market. You can't seriously believe this. It's quite obvious that the TikTok debacle is mostly a protectionist measure for Facebook & Google who are looking to get their money's worth for their lobby.

kkzz99 3y ago

You may not know, but China has also adopted pretty elaborate privacy laws called Personal Information Protection Law(PIPL) which is pretty close to GDPR.

piva00 3y ago
And Brazil adopted the LGPD back in 2018, it's very similar to the GDPR.
prewett 3y ago
Good for China, but since they have CCP people in every group to report on people, neighbors in every community whose job it is to report on people, do things like WeChat dropping messages containing unwanted content, censor people's postings, I'm skeptical how much privacy people are really getting. Sure, maybe BigCo can't build a profile on you, but I'd much rather have BigCo know everything about me than the State. Especially when the State is totalitarian.
- zrn900 3y ago
  Yeah they also burn witches and stone adulterers. And some other sh*t. Its amazing how those in the west worry more about a country that has no power on them instead of the psychos who can kidnap, torture or disappear them at whim. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/14/the-u-s-carried-out-extraordinary-rendition-flights-from-2001-2005-here-are-15-more-countries-that-helped/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/1...
- oarsinsync 3y ago
  > I'd much rather have BigCo know everything about me than the State Sure, for the state to snoop on you, especially in the USA, they’re supposed to need judicial oversight and approval, which is arguably a better system, than having the state snooping on you without any oversight. Is this still meaningful in a world where BigCo is snooping on you, and then able to sell that information to the state without any oversight? Is there a point where BigCo should be treated as a part of the state, that’s just being funded partially by your tax dollars? Is there a meaningful difference between the state building a snooping infrastructure itself, or outsourcing that to a private contractor who provides Snooping as a Service?

esperent 3y ago

More and more countries are following the EU's lead. For example, Vietnam's PDPD is similar to GDPR (stricter in some ways) and is coming into force on July 1st: https://blog.didomi.io/vietnam-data-privacy-law-pdpd-everything-you-need-to-know https://blog.didomi.io/vietnam-data-privacy-law-pdpd-everyth... However, I guess we won't talk much about Vietnam's new law on the English speaking web, whether it's successful or not. Purely because we don't talk or hear much of anything about Vietnam's internal policies on the English speaking web. While we will continue to discuss every tiny detail about the GDPR.

ChocolateGod 3y ago
> While we will continue to discuss every tiny detail about the GDPR Because large legislation by the EU like the GDPR and DMA has the the Brussels effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect
toyg 3y ago
That's just because the GDPR applies to the richest market on Earth (by some metrics), which won't be the case for anything regarding Vietnam.
- overstay8930 3y ago
  The only metrics that say that are metrics that are fake, the US market is significantly larger than the EU market.
  - toyg 3y ago
    Call it second-largest, the point still holds.
  - Propelloni 3y ago
    Why would they be fake? Can't they just be wrong?

lambersley 3y ago

In Canada, Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) was updated in 2015 to require user consent not unlike GDPR() https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/privacy-topics/technology/online-privacy-tracking-cookies/tracking-and-ads/gl_ba_1112/ https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/privacy-topics/technology/online-p...

secondcoming 3y ago

California has CCPA, Utah, Conneticut, Virginia and Colorado have Internet privacy laws. Canada has its own version of TCF. There are loads, and loads more are coming.

alkonaut 3y ago
> Utah, Conneticut, Virginia and Colorado have Internet privacy laws No plans for a US federal regulation here? Wouldn't that save a lot of money and headache for everyone, if instead of complying with 50 different regulations you had one?
- secondcoming 3y ago
  There is the concept of a 'US National' set of regulations too. IANAL, so I don't know if it's a Federal regulation. It's about to become increasingly tedious to be a website operator. https://github.com/InteractiveAdvertisingBureau/Global-Privacy-Platform/blob/main/Sections/US-National/IAB%20Privacy%E2%80%99s%20National%20Privacy%20Technical%20Specification.md https://github.com/InteractiveAdvertisingBureau/Global-Priva...
- overstay8930 3y ago
  The federal government has a lot less power than a lot of people think, there are limits to control over interstate commerce and nobody wants Google to be regulated like a telephone company.
  - tcptomato 3y ago
    You should google Wickard v. Filburn. The US Supreme Court ruled that the US government can regulate what you grow on your own land for your own consumption, because it affects inter-state trade.

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