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What happened to “believe women?” You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened? “UN team says rape, gang

What happened to “believe women?” You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened? “UN team says rape, gang rape likely occurred during Hamas attack on Israel” UN: “The mission team received clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, and cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment occurred against some women and children during their time in captivity.” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-team-says-rape-gang-rape-likely-occurred-during-hamas-attack-israel-2024-03-04/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-team-says-rape-... https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/report/mission-report-official-visit-of-the-office-of-the-srsg-svc-to-israel-and-the-occupied-west-bank-29-january-14-february-2024/20240304-Israel-oWB-CRSV-report.pdf#page18 https://www.un.org/sexualviolenceinconflict/wp-content/uploa...

incognos 3y ago
Where is your outrage for the ongoing rapes prior to october 7th and continuing to this day. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-isra...)
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  I abhor any rapes perpetuated against humans of any kind. Why are you deflecting my correction that GP’s “There is zero credible evidence that any rape took place” is wrong?
  - incognos 3y ago
    https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-rape-report/ https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-r... “In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified,” the report concluded.
    - gryzzly 3y ago
      "The Grayzone is an American fringe,[7] far-left[19] news website and blog,[23] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal" "It is known for its negative coverage of American foreign policy,[1][4] misleading reporting,[25][26] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone Excellent sources!
GordonS 3y ago
> What happened to “believe women?” And where are the women whom we should believe? > You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened Firstly, the latest figure from Israel is that 695 Israeli civilians were killed, with the rest being security forces. Of those 695, many were armed settlers. Secondly, the fact you assume rape did occur, especially in the total absence of any evidence, is bizarre, and suggests you may have some deeply-seated biases against Palestinians and/or Muslims. As I explained in another comment here [0], the UN report is a farce insisted upon by Israel to aid in laundering their lurid attrocity propaganda. The report is not the result of an investigation, it simply regurgitates what Israel presented to Pramila Patten. From the report: > As a result of the aforementioned challenges, it must be noted that the information gathered by the mission team was in a large part sourced from Israeli national institutions. This is due to the absence of United Nations entities operating in Israel, as well as the lack of cooperation by the State of Israel with relevant United Nations bodies with an investigative mandate [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=GordonS#39629197 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=GordonS#39629197
- reducesuffering 3y ago
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  - GordonS 3y ago
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  - incognos 3y ago
    Interesting that it does not bother you that Israel has been indiscriminately bombing civilians BEFORE October 7th as well as engaging in night raids all over the west bank, resulting in one of the deadliest years for Palestinians in the West Bank - again BEFORE October 7th. But somehow, their lives are worth less than the ones tragically lost on October 7th? Second, as an occupier, there are no internal border. As the United States and Israel do not recognize a Palestinian state, they did not cross a border, they broke out of their concentration camp. “In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified,” the report concluded. https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-rape-report/ https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-r...

incognos 3y ago

Where is your outrage for the ongoing rapes prior to october 7th and continuing to this day. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-isra...)

reducesuffering 3y ago
I abhor any rapes perpetuated against humans of any kind. Why are you deflecting my correction that GP’s “There is zero credible evidence that any rape took place” is wrong?
- incognos 3y ago
  https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-rape-report/ https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-r... “In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified,” the report concluded.
  - gryzzly 3y ago
    "The Grayzone is an American fringe,[7] far-left[19] news website and blog,[23] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal" "It is known for its negative coverage of American foreign policy,[1][4] misleading reporting,[25][26] and sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone Excellent sources!

GordonS 3y ago

> What happened to “believe women?” And where are the women whom we should believe? > You think in a sudden 1143 person civilian homicidal attack, going door to door, no rape happened Firstly, the latest figure from Israel is that 695 Israeli civilians were killed, with the rest being security forces. Of those 695, many were armed settlers. Secondly, the fact you assume rape did occur, especially in the total absence of any evidence, is bizarre, and suggests you may have some deeply-seated biases against Palestinians and/or Muslims. As I explained in another comment here [0], the UN report is a farce insisted upon by Israel to aid in laundering their lurid attrocity propaganda. The report is not the result of an investigation, it simply regurgitates what Israel presented to Pramila Patten. From the report: > As a result of the aforementioned challenges, it must be noted that the information gathered by the mission team was in a large part sourced from Israeli national institutions. This is due to the absence of United Nations entities operating in Israel, as well as the lack of cooperation by the State of Israel with relevant United Nations bodies with an investigative mandate [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=GordonS#39629197 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=GordonS#39629197

reducesuffering 3y ago
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- GordonS 3y ago
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- incognos 3y ago
  Interesting that it does not bother you that Israel has been indiscriminately bombing civilians BEFORE October 7th as well as engaging in night raids all over the west bank, resulting in one of the deadliest years for Palestinians in the West Bank - again BEFORE October 7th. But somehow, their lives are worth less than the ones tragically lost on October 7th? Second, as an occupier, there are no internal border. As the United States and Israel do not recognize a Palestinian state, they did not cross a border, they broke out of their concentration camp. “In the medicolegal assessment of available photos and videos, no tangible indications of rape could be identified,” the report concluded. https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-rape-report/ https://thegrayzone.com/2024/03/07/media-concocts-un-hamas-r...