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> This is an enemy who would kill more than 10,000 if it could And yet, it's Israel that has killed 30-50k... so far. > who deliberately positions military ha

> This is an enemy who would kill more than 10,000 if it could And yet, it's Israel that has killed 30-50k... so far. > who deliberately positions military hardware such as rocket launchers in and around civilians and civilian infrastructure Gaza is a very dense, urban area, so it's kind of unavoidable. And you know as well as I do that these "rockets" are barely more than overgrown fireworks - they are mostly symbolic. That said, I do feel like Hamas are fools for continuing to fire them - I understand they need to resist blockade, occupation and dehumanisation, but I just can't see how this could possibly help. > We know this is true because Hamas leadership has been saying this for decades Except, thats not really true, is it? Hamas have been openly saying for several years now that they have no beef with people of the Jewish faith, they just want their homes back.

rendall 3y ago
> 30-50k... so far... ... according to Hamas.
rendall 3y ago
> Except, thats not really true, is it? Hamas have been openly saying for several years now that they have no beef with people of the Jewish faith, they just want their homes back. No, that is not what they have been saying. That's what you have been hearing, but they have been saying they want the area to be under Muslim control. They could have had their homes back decades ago if they accepted Israeli rule. No. When they say "Free Palestine" you hear Western ideas of freedom, democracy, sovereignty, dignity. They mean "Free Palestine of Jews". We know this because they say it and act on it, repeatedly.
- GordonS 3y ago
  > They could have had their homes back decades ago if they accepted Israeli rule "accepted Israeli rule?!". If Russia decides to occupy your country, would you be so accepting?! Never mind the fact that the West Bank shows exactly what happens when you "accept Israeli rule" - living under a brutal, dehumanising apartheid regime.
  - rendall 3y ago
    Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan? They refused. Palestinians are endless trouble. This is known throughout the Arab world. It's hardly an "occupation". Israel doesn't want it.
    - GordonS 3y ago
      > Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan? This is revisionist history - Gaza was never even part of Egypt! [0] Netanyahu's plans for "Greater Israel" (which includes the West Bank and Gaza) also run contrary to this claim. > Israel doesn't want it Israel's actions say otherwise. And let's not forget that Israel continues to illegally occupy land in Lebanon and Syria - they absolutetly want more land, and Gaza would be perfect for a port, some nice beachfront properties etc. Also, why have they built a road bisecting Gaza? Why are many Israelis discussing the occupation of northern Gaza like it's a done deal? Why are Israelis holding meetings to plan building settlements in Gaza, attended by gov ministers? Why has Israel given out deals to oil companies for fields off the north coast of Gaza? [0] https://politics.stackexchange.com/a/81796 https://politics.stackexchange.com/a/81796
      - gryzzly 3y ago
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      - rendall 3y ago
        > This is revisionist history - Gaza was never even part of Egypt So confident and yet so wrong. This is literally history. Are you pro-Hamas because you don't know the history of the region, or do you not know the history region because you're motivated to ignore it where it contradicts your pro-Hamas narrative? From whom did Israel seize control of Gaza in 1967?
        GordonS 3y ago
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rendall 3y ago
> Gaza is a very dense, urban area, so it's kind of unavoidable This is why Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques and hospitals, according to you?
- GordonS 3y ago
  That is not at all what I said - are you commenting in good faith? We've also seen no credible evidence that Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques or hospitals.
  - gryzzly 3y ago
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    - GordonS 3y ago
      This is not Reddit, and I won't be engaging any further with you. Good bye.
      - gryzzly 3y ago
        everyone can see enough of what you wrote, bbye.
        dang 3y ago
        You broke the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread. We have to ban accounts that do that. Regardless of how right you are or feel you are, please don't do this again. Others have been breaking the site guidelines too, of course, and I'm posting moderation replies to a few of them—it's not possible to respond to them all. I just mention this to make clear that the moderation in this case has nothing to do with which side you're arguing for or against. It has to do with your obviously breaking HN's rules, which is not ok. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
gryzzly 3y ago
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rendall 3y ago

> 30-50k... so far... ... according to Hamas.

rendall 3y ago

> Except, thats not really true, is it? Hamas have been openly saying for several years now that they have no beef with people of the Jewish faith, they just want their homes back. No, that is not what they have been saying. That's what you have been hearing, but they have been saying they want the area to be under Muslim control. They could have had their homes back decades ago if they accepted Israeli rule. No. When they say "Free Palestine" you hear Western ideas of freedom, democracy, sovereignty, dignity. They mean "Free Palestine of Jews". We know this because they say it and act on it, repeatedly.

GordonS 3y ago
> They could have had their homes back decades ago if they accepted Israeli rule "accepted Israeli rule?!". If Russia decides to occupy your country, would you be so accepting?! Never mind the fact that the West Bank shows exactly what happens when you "accept Israeli rule" - living under a brutal, dehumanising apartheid regime.
- rendall 3y ago
  Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan? They refused. Palestinians are endless trouble. This is known throughout the Arab world. It's hardly an "occupation". Israel doesn't want it.
  - GordonS 3y ago
    > Did you know that Israel tried to give Gaza back to Egypt and West Bank back to Jordan? This is revisionist history - Gaza was never even part of Egypt! [0] Netanyahu's plans for "Greater Israel" (which includes the West Bank and Gaza) also run contrary to this claim. > Israel doesn't want it Israel's actions say otherwise. And let's not forget that Israel continues to illegally occupy land in Lebanon and Syria - they absolutetly want more land, and Gaza would be perfect for a port, some nice beachfront properties etc. Also, why have they built a road bisecting Gaza? Why are many Israelis discussing the occupation of northern Gaza like it's a done deal? Why are Israelis holding meetings to plan building settlements in Gaza, attended by gov ministers? Why has Israel given out deals to oil companies for fields off the north coast of Gaza? [0] https://politics.stackexchange.com/a/81796 https://politics.stackexchange.com/a/81796
    - gryzzly 3y ago
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    - rendall 3y ago
      > This is revisionist history - Gaza was never even part of Egypt So confident and yet so wrong. This is literally history. Are you pro-Hamas because you don't know the history of the region, or do you not know the history region because you're motivated to ignore it where it contradicts your pro-Hamas narrative? From whom did Israel seize control of Gaza in 1967?
      - GordonS 3y ago
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rendall 3y ago

> Gaza is a very dense, urban area, so it's kind of unavoidable This is why Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques and hospitals, according to you?

GordonS 3y ago
That is not at all what I said - are you commenting in good faith? We've also seen no credible evidence that Hamas hides weapons inside of schools, mosques or hospitals.
- gryzzly 3y ago
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  - GordonS 3y ago
    This is not Reddit, and I won't be engaging any further with you. Good bye.
    - gryzzly 3y ago
      everyone can see enough of what you wrote, bbye.
      - dang 3y ago
        You broke the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread. We have to ban accounts that do that. Regardless of how right you are or feel you are, please don't do this again. Others have been breaking the site guidelines too, of course, and I'm posting moderation replies to a few of them—it's not possible to respond to them all. I just mention this to make clear that the moderation in this case has nothing to do with which side you're arguing for or against. It has to do with your obviously breaking HN's rules, which is not ok. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

gryzzly 3y ago

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