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> They only controlled the border and what goes in and out of Gaza "only" is used here to diminish the suffering of the Gazan people. Israel has had Gaza under

> They only controlled the border and what goes in and out of Gaza "only" is used here to diminish the suffering of the Gazan people. Israel has had Gaza under a brutal blockade, across air, land and sea. They control everything that enters or leaves, and infamously were so cruel they counted the calories entering Gaza [0] [1]. Israel even claims control of the air over Gaza, and prevents civilians from collecting rainwater [2] [3] [4]. Israel has been enforcing collective punishment for decades - they want that land, and they want it only for themselves. [0] https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-requirements-of-gazans-during-land-blockade-to-avoid-crisis/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-counted-calorie-require... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/world/middleeast/israel-counted-calories-needed-for-gazans-in-blockade.html https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/world/middleeast/israel-c... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occu... [3] https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2016-06-22/ty-article/.premium/israel-unable-to-tell-truth-about-stealing-water-from-palestinians/0000017f-e068-d75c-a7ff-fced125f0000 https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2016-06-22/ty-article/.premi... [4] https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/3/10/debunking-some-myths-about-israels-water-politics https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/3/10/debunking-some-...

diordiderot 3y ago
Damn, I didn't know that Israeli troops also controlled Egypt.
- GordonS 3y ago
  I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that statement, but I guess you're somehow implying it's not US-backed Israel's fault that they prevents legitimate goods (such as crayons, seeds, fishing rods etc) from entering Gaza... because Egypt? Whataboutism aside, it's well known that US-backed Israel is indeed largely in control of what Egypt does and does not do in regard to Gaza.
  - diordiderot 3y ago
    It's not whataboutism! If you said the only way to cross the Atlantic was by boat and I said you could fly that's not whataboutism > it's well known that US-backed Israel is indeed largely in control of what Egypt does No it's not. You can't just make stuff up
- tyingq 3y ago
  Israel certainly has agreements and treaties with Egypt that would make it difficult for Egypt not to do what the Israelis say regarding the border. Agreements and treaties made at a time and situation where Egypt didn't have much leverage. Egypt is not free, for example, to allow aid in that Israel has not specifically approved.
  - diordiderot 3y ago
    > Egypt is not free, for example, to allow aid in that Israel has not specifically approved. Yes it is. You can't just make stuff up and lie to people. What makes you think that's okay? Because you feel it's 'for the right cause?
    - tyingq 3y ago
      You can read quotes from Israeli officials about their approval process for the Rafah crossing. They've also bombed the crossing when they feel like the process isn't being followed. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egypts-sisi-accuses-israel-impeding-aid-deliveries-gaza-2024-01-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egypts-sisi-accuse... Aside from Israeli quotes, the above article includes Sisi's comments on the process. If you have some credible source saying Egypt can get goods into Gaza without Israeli approval, I'd love to see it.

diordiderot 3y ago

Damn, I didn't know that Israeli troops also controlled Egypt.

GordonS 3y ago
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that statement, but I guess you're somehow implying it's not US-backed Israel's fault that they prevents legitimate goods (such as crayons, seeds, fishing rods etc) from entering Gaza... because Egypt? Whataboutism aside, it's well known that US-backed Israel is indeed largely in control of what Egypt does and does not do in regard to Gaza.
- diordiderot 3y ago
  It's not whataboutism! If you said the only way to cross the Atlantic was by boat and I said you could fly that's not whataboutism > it's well known that US-backed Israel is indeed largely in control of what Egypt does No it's not. You can't just make stuff up
tyingq 3y ago
Israel certainly has agreements and treaties with Egypt that would make it difficult for Egypt not to do what the Israelis say regarding the border. Agreements and treaties made at a time and situation where Egypt didn't have much leverage. Egypt is not free, for example, to allow aid in that Israel has not specifically approved.
- diordiderot 3y ago
  > Egypt is not free, for example, to allow aid in that Israel has not specifically approved. Yes it is. You can't just make stuff up and lie to people. What makes you think that's okay? Because you feel it's 'for the right cause?
  - tyingq 3y ago
    You can read quotes from Israeli officials about their approval process for the Rafah crossing. They've also bombed the crossing when they feel like the process isn't being followed. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egypts-sisi-accuses-israel-impeding-aid-deliveries-gaza-2024-01-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/egypts-sisi-accuse... Aside from Israeli quotes, the above article includes Sisi's comments on the process. If you have some credible source saying Egypt can get goods into Gaza without Israeli approval, I'd love to see it.