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> This will take another ~2-3 years to be sorted out. Lol, I almost spit my coffee all over the keyboard... That timeframe is wildly unrealistic. It will take

by toyg 3y ago

> This will take another ~2-3 years to be sorted out. Lol, I almost spit my coffee all over the keyboard... That timeframe is wildly unrealistic. It will take the best part of a decade from the time all major distros switch their defaults (i.e. RedHat, Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE) to get to a point that could be considered stable (i.e. where the average user won't encounter breakage as soon as they run an app that was not part of the default install). And even then, lots of debris will be left floating, because nobody is going to update some small app from 2005 or even old releases of QT and GTK. The Linux desktop is currently going through its Vista moment, and it's going to go on for a very long time.

bayindirh 3y ago
Be careful. Space cadet keyboards are rare and expensive. I don't know about RedHat, but Debian already ships Wayland in Testing. Maybe current stable also has in its default installation I need to check. Tons of people are using it on Ubuntu, too. So while ironing out everything will take even more than that, I assume a full decade starting today, first 90% will take ~2-3 years. As we know, second 90% doesn't really finish. Even today, X11 can be broken in interesting ways. OTOH, there'll be always some debris left. It's same for Windows and macOS, too. Only difference is, Windows ships its old versions as WoW subsystems or invisible diversions for more than two decades now. People always see the applications they use, but there's another world where people update extremely old programs or develop shims to keep them working. Linux ecosystem is an elephant now. And since people can see and feel different parts of it, everybody tells something different about it. It's much more complex and layered than it seems. Vista moment? Even KDE4.x was better than that thing with all its bugs. Hah.

by toyg 3y ago

bayindirh 3y ago

Be careful. Space cadet keyboards are rare and expensive. I don't know about RedHat, but Debian already ships Wayland in Testing. Maybe current stable also has in its default installation I need to check. Tons of people are using it on Ubuntu, too. So while ironing out everything will take even more than that, I assume a full decade starting today, first 90% will take ~2-3 years. As we know, second 90% doesn't really finish. Even today, X11 can be broken in interesting ways. OTOH, there'll be always some debris left. It's same for Windows and macOS, too. Only difference is, Windows ships its old versions as WoW subsystems or invisible diversions for more than two decades now. People always see the applications they use, but there's another world where people update extremely old programs or develop shims to keep them working. Linux ecosystem is an elephant now. And since people can see and feel different parts of it, everybody tells something different about it. It's much more complex and layered than it seems. Vista moment? Even KDE4.x was better than that thing with all its bugs. Hah.