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The thing about ARRI is, yeah their gear is expensive, but it is just an incredible combination of good design and stellar engineering. Their cameras are surpri
by atoav 3y ago
The thing about ARRI is, yeah their gear is expensive, but it is just an incredible combination of good design and stellar engineering. Their cameras are surprisingly straightforward to use, definitely easier than a RED or Sony (with their "every-surface-needs-to-be-covered-in-buttons-but-few-are-where-you-would-expect-them"-mentality).
Their light gear is just stellar. I have seen ARRI HMI lamps that took 40 years of beatings and still worked flawlessly.
The thing is, sure ARRI is expensive, but depending on your production losing a day might be more expensive than buying a whole new camera.
Generally my experience is that a lot of the price of high end gear goes towards reliability, this is true for most other fields of tech as well.
- hef19898 3y agoThanks! Totally get the point of price being relative. After all, if you use gear professionally, as in earning money with it, the calculation of cost is different. Edit: Nikon is generally doing a decent job on those "pro" aspects if cameras, ergonomics, buttons, reliability and so on. Should be interesting to see how this acquisition plays out.
- jorvi 3y ago> The thing is, sure ARRI is expensive, but depending on your production losing a day might be more expensive than buying a whole new camera. This is generally true when purchasing equipment for personnel. If you have to purchase three new €2500 family MacBooks because of a burst pipe, that’s mighty expensive. Even for a small IT company, that’s just half a month’s wage per developer. I know that with expensive camera gear we’re talking about €250 000 per camera or whatever, but you rent those.
- geodel 3y ago> Generally my experience is that a lot of the price of high end gear goes towards reliability, this is true for most other fields of tech as well. Great point. I have this in non-professional settings the first question people ask is why this stuff is so expensive. Because if things work with little bit of fidgeting that's good enough.
- ensignavenger 3y agoWhen folks talk about reliability of these cameras, what are we talking about? Like, the camera longevity, or ruggedness? Or like they reliably produce a consistent output, versus producing different results under the same conditions where one would expect consistency?
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- mschuster91 3y agoSpeaking for lighting: all of it. ARRI stuff is expensive AF but worth every penny if you have the need for it.
- staticautomatic 3y agoIs this different in some way from the still photo world where you have like Broncolor that’s unreasonably expensive and no one can explain why?
- atoav 3y agoIn my judgment ARRI fixtures are not unreasonably expensive. Yeah they are pricey, but you get what you pay for, the engineering, including the elctrical engineering is stellar, the reproducability amazing. Now whether you actually need those things is another question, but my opinion on ARRIs stuff is that it costs exactly what I would expect it to cost on that level of quality (and that isn't true for all manufacturers).
- mschuster91 3y agoIn the end it's reproducibility for both - you know that when you have a specific setup, it will look exactly the same.
- Auracle 3y agoBroncolor is expensive just because they're old and entrenched, and some people are always in the mindset that more expensive must equal better. If reliability is a concern, you can easily buy multiple Godox units of approximately the same specifications (or better) for the same price as one Broncolor.
- lanthade 3y agoI 100% agree on the correlation of price and reliability in the professional video world. My experience is in live event production and while Blackmagic has revolutionized the accessibility of high-quality production it does come with a non-dollar price. I've never had a Ross router, switcher, or other auxiliary gear go down during a show. I have experienced multiple show stopping failures of Blackmagic devices. I once was on a show where the BM router locked up fight before showtime. Doors were open and power cycling was not an option. All existing routes were passing signal just fine, it was just control that was gone. We just had to make do for the event, fortunately there were no critical audience facing changes that we needed. For some clients the savings are worth the risk. For others they absolutely are not. With live you get no chance to shoot it on another day or go back and fix it in post. If there's thousands of people outside the room watching you better make sure that signal chain is rock solid.
- hef19898 3y agoAfter spending my career in supply chain and logistics, I am now at the interface of design and support for complex systems. So, reliability, or rather the full Reliability-Availability-Maintainability-Testability-Supportability, RAMT(S), is really important for my work. It is quite fascinating, that besides the overall performance and capabilities of a system, pros care about RAMT a lot. Regardless of the field. Nice to see that confirmed, in yet another field I knew next to nothing about.
- julik 3y agoFWIW "every surface needs to be covered in buttons" is exactly how a Canon person™ once explained to me why they are not a Nikon person. So that checks out wrt this acquisition, at least.
- emilecantin 3y agoI'm a Nikon person™ because my Canon printer once refused to scan because it was out of yellow... When it came time to buy a DSLR I chose Nikon and honestly I haven't been disappointed.
- hef19898 3y agoThe only thing more hilarious than the pointless Canon vs. Nikon quabble are when you throw in Leica shooters into the mix.