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I don't understand what Apple executives are even thinking to keep engaging in these actions. How do they justify continuing to burn bridges with developers and

I don't understand what Apple executives are even thinking to keep engaging in these actions. How do they justify continuing to burn bridges with developers and tarnish their reputation in the public eye?

rapsey 3y ago
Their market share makes them arrogant. They are very much like Microsoft in the 90s.
- graemep 3y ago
  Microsoft did not suffer much as a result. They mostly got away with anti-competitive behaviour.
  - benreesman 3y ago
    They got a very stiff warning that they would be allowed a major role in shaping the Web, but that strangling it outright would be the end of them. Imperfect, but enough.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    Honestly they had it easy because of inertia and because they managed to build a successful business with cloud technology. Had they failed with Gaming, Office365 + Azure the same way they failed in the mobile market, Microsoft would not be the same company as it is today and as it was 20 years ago.
tempodox 3y ago
Despots and bullies are the same everywhere. They bully while they can.
_cenw 3y ago
Thankfully EU legislation has very severe penalties built-in that are mostly deterrants (think the 4% turnover maximum GDPR fine), but if anyone deserves to be hit with the full force of the law, it's Apple. Even Meta, who are also happy to rack up fines instead of fixing their privacy issues, aren't this reckless.
- benreesman 3y ago
  I’ve had my disagreements with Meta’s leadership (I quit after all) but they do try hard to comply with the law on privacy. It’s a hard, hard problem that they spend a lot of money on. The results have been mixed: they should probably spend even more. In general these are some of the “least evil” people in the valley. I have personal disputes with some of them, some mutually pretty unpleasant. But that increases, not decreases my responsibility to be fair. Bosworth in particular is about as close to a good guy as you can be in a job like that. I don’t think very highly about how I’ve been treated personally, but that’s irrelevant to the broader point: Meta’s team is playing at the “least rough” end of the field. They’re great on open models and research, their lobbying is at the low, low end of shady (by the dismal standards of the day), employees have historically been treated well, it’s less bad. If you want to get on them about something, the availability of Reels to minors needs to change.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    I wouldn't say they are the least evil, but they are working hard to lose that "bad actor" reputation they have been given over the year regarding privacy.
    - benreesman 3y ago
      Fair enough I guess from a terminology point of view. If you try to lose your bad actor reputation hard enough, at some point you’re “reforming”.

rapsey 3y ago

Their market share makes them arrogant. They are very much like Microsoft in the 90s.

graemep 3y ago
Microsoft did not suffer much as a result. They mostly got away with anti-competitive behaviour.
- benreesman 3y ago
  They got a very stiff warning that they would be allowed a major role in shaping the Web, but that strangling it outright would be the end of them. Imperfect, but enough.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  Honestly they had it easy because of inertia and because they managed to build a successful business with cloud technology. Had they failed with Gaming, Office365 + Azure the same way they failed in the mobile market, Microsoft would not be the same company as it is today and as it was 20 years ago.

tempodox 3y ago

Despots and bullies are the same everywhere. They bully while they can.

_cenw 3y ago

Thankfully EU legislation has very severe penalties built-in that are mostly deterrants (think the 4% turnover maximum GDPR fine), but if anyone deserves to be hit with the full force of the law, it's Apple. Even Meta, who are also happy to rack up fines instead of fixing their privacy issues, aren't this reckless.

benreesman 3y ago
I’ve had my disagreements with Meta’s leadership (I quit after all) but they do try hard to comply with the law on privacy. It’s a hard, hard problem that they spend a lot of money on. The results have been mixed: they should probably spend even more. In general these are some of the “least evil” people in the valley. I have personal disputes with some of them, some mutually pretty unpleasant. But that increases, not decreases my responsibility to be fair. Bosworth in particular is about as close to a good guy as you can be in a job like that. I don’t think very highly about how I’ve been treated personally, but that’s irrelevant to the broader point: Meta’s team is playing at the “least rough” end of the field. They’re great on open models and research, their lobbying is at the low, low end of shady (by the dismal standards of the day), employees have historically been treated well, it’s less bad. If you want to get on them about something, the availability of Reels to minors needs to change.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  I wouldn't say they are the least evil, but they are working hard to lose that "bad actor" reputation they have been given over the year regarding privacy.
  - benreesman 3y ago
    Fair enough I guess from a terminology point of view. If you try to lose your bad actor reputation hard enough, at some point you’re “reforming”.