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And all the studies done to understand those numbers show the difference in outcome is driven by tze social environment and esucation systems, and not the sexe.

by hef19898 3y ago

And all the studies done to understand those numbers show the difference in outcome is driven by tze social environment and esucation systems, and not the sexe. You, of course, will ignore that I am sure. I hate it when the menoshpere invades HN, my last save place on the internet. If that continues, I'll just have to leave I guess.

Jensson 3y ago
> And all the studies done to understand those numbers show the difference in outcome is driven by tze social environment and esucation systems, and not the sexe. No this is wrong, the studies done has shown that you can make girls do better and boys do worse by priming them. No study done has shown that you can eliminate this gap, just move it towards boys or girls being advantaged. > You, of course, will ignore that I am sure No, I read those studies. The stereotype threat paper just show that you can boost girls performance at the cost of boys performance and thus get equal performance at math, not that you can get relative equal performance at math and language. No such paper has shown that you can eliminate the language-math gap between girls and boys, and all data shows that the language-math divide for boys and girls stays the same. So, all the progressive help to get girls better at math just made girls equal to boys at math, but now girls has an enormous advantage at language because they boosted girls score overall, they didn't make things equal.
- hef19898 3y ago
  The doing better part is correct, meaning there is no genetical basis for any difference in performance in MINT or language fields. The part about making boys worse is something you made up. If we continue this back and forth, I can play menoshpere / anti-feminism / incel talking piont bingo. I don't want to, so I think we can stop now.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    > The part about making boys worse is something you made up. Look at the data yourself, you clearly didn't read the paper, this is the data from the original stereotype threat paper, look at how much worse boys does. https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C5612AQGW9DDN93toeA/article-cover_image-shrink_600_2000/0/1520115451167?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=ogAIkgEi2uf6R5RawSXo6mua7jWNY8gYETRK0spdN6Y https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C5612AQGW9DDN93toeA/articl... Now can you please stop calling me ignorant, I clearly have better recollection of these studies than you do.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Recollection =|= Understanding
- defrost 3y ago
  The point made is correct. Your own link shows that the "math gap" was eliminated in Finland and Sweden, both countries with very equitable education standards, Finland in particular is often cited for having the best education system in the world. The very study you linked makes the point that male V. female performance in education appears to be linked to differences in how the sexes are treated, not to innate differences between them There are other studies, but that is the study that you linked. Perhaps you fell prey to the "reading gap" ?
  - Jensson 3y ago
    > Your own link shows that the "math gap" was eliminated in Finland and Sweden, both countries with very equitable education standards, Finland in particular is often cited for having the best education system in the world. At the cost of creating a massive language gap. The math-language divide is still there, they just boosted girls score overall they didn't close the gap where girls do relatively better in language and boys math. So what the poster above saw was that math-language gap in action, women dominated the men in language in their experience, just like the data says we should expect.
lynx23 3y ago
> And all the studies done to understand those numbers Wait, you read "all the studies done to understand those numbers". Pretty huge task for a photographer, kudos!
- hef19898 3y ago
  Thank you! Just wait until you hear that I also have a day job, a family and other hobbies! Let's rephrase it for the extremely pedandinc and semantic HN crowd: "All the reporting on those studies, and the executive summaries of the studies I read" Better to parse?
  - lynx23 3y ago
    So you exaggretated your knowledge for the sake of winning an argument? That pretty much proof my point and experience.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Sometimes it feels like talking to a comoutet or a ginie on HN. Not the slightest ability to understand the meaning of what was said, even when the wording gets corrected, ignoring the whole point and moving the discusssion to input parameter semantics. And thinking this appriach is super smart and edgy. Frustrating really, and a lazy, disengenious way of argueing a point. Feel proven so, if it helps you.
      - lynx23 3y ago
        Well, current results do not support your posotion. Totally out of chance, local news just reported that MINT-support programs are apparently not improving things. That is pretty much the contrary of what you are trying to claim, backed up by a news article released today https://science.orf.at/stories/3223967/ https://science.orf.at/stories/3223967/ But I am sure you will find ways to subsume all HN posters into a perceived partiarchy that is only trying to make your life harder. Go on, I no longer care.

Jensson 3y ago

> And all the studies done to understand those numbers show the difference in outcome is driven by tze social environment and esucation systems, and not the sexe. No this is wrong, the studies done has shown that you can make girls do better and boys do worse by priming them. No study done has shown that you can eliminate this gap, just move it towards boys or girls being advantaged. > You, of course, will ignore that I am sure No, I read those studies. The stereotype threat paper just show that you can boost girls performance at the cost of boys performance and thus get equal performance at math, not that you can get relative equal performance at math and language. No such paper has shown that you can eliminate the language-math gap between girls and boys, and all data shows that the language-math divide for boys and girls stays the same. So, all the progressive help to get girls better at math just made girls equal to boys at math, but now girls has an enormous advantage at language because they boosted girls score overall, they didn't make things equal.

hef19898 3y ago
The doing better part is correct, meaning there is no genetical basis for any difference in performance in MINT or language fields. The part about making boys worse is something you made up. If we continue this back and forth, I can play menoshpere / anti-feminism / incel talking piont bingo. I don't want to, so I think we can stop now.
- Jensson 3y ago
  > The part about making boys worse is something you made up. Look at the data yourself, you clearly didn't read the paper, this is the data from the original stereotype threat paper, look at how much worse boys does. https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C5612AQGW9DDN93toeA/article-cover_image-shrink_600_2000/0/1520115451167?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=ogAIkgEi2uf6R5RawSXo6mua7jWNY8gYETRK0spdN6Y https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C5612AQGW9DDN93toeA/articl... Now can you please stop calling me ignorant, I clearly have better recollection of these studies than you do.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Recollection =|= Understanding
defrost 3y ago
The point made is correct. Your own link shows that the "math gap" was eliminated in Finland and Sweden, both countries with very equitable education standards, Finland in particular is often cited for having the best education system in the world. The very study you linked makes the point that male V. female performance in education appears to be linked to differences in how the sexes are treated, not to innate differences between them There are other studies, but that is the study that you linked. Perhaps you fell prey to the "reading gap" ?
- Jensson 3y ago
  > Your own link shows that the "math gap" was eliminated in Finland and Sweden, both countries with very equitable education standards, Finland in particular is often cited for having the best education system in the world. At the cost of creating a massive language gap. The math-language divide is still there, they just boosted girls score overall they didn't close the gap where girls do relatively better in language and boys math. So what the poster above saw was that math-language gap in action, women dominated the men in language in their experience, just like the data says we should expect.

lynx23 3y ago

> And all the studies done to understand those numbers Wait, you read "all the studies done to understand those numbers". Pretty huge task for a photographer, kudos!

hef19898 3y ago
Thank you! Just wait until you hear that I also have a day job, a family and other hobbies! Let's rephrase it for the extremely pedandinc and semantic HN crowd: "All the reporting on those studies, and the executive summaries of the studies I read" Better to parse?
- lynx23 3y ago
  So you exaggretated your knowledge for the sake of winning an argument? That pretty much proof my point and experience.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Sometimes it feels like talking to a comoutet or a ginie on HN. Not the slightest ability to understand the meaning of what was said, even when the wording gets corrected, ignoring the whole point and moving the discusssion to input parameter semantics. And thinking this appriach is super smart and edgy. Frustrating really, and a lazy, disengenious way of argueing a point. Feel proven so, if it helps you.
    - lynx23 3y ago
      Well, current results do not support your posotion. Totally out of chance, local news just reported that MINT-support programs are apparently not improving things. That is pretty much the contrary of what you are trying to claim, backed up by a news article released today https://science.orf.at/stories/3223967/ https://science.orf.at/stories/3223967/ But I am sure you will find ways to subsume all HN posters into a perceived partiarchy that is only trying to make your life harder. Go on, I no longer care.