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I think it’s an interesting thought. But for the sake of it, can you name/imagine some examples of problems/forms of problems we as human can not solve? Or can

I think it’s an interesting thought. But for the sake of it, can you name/imagine some examples of problems/forms of problems we as human can not solve? Or can not solve efficiently? If you can find none, is it not the proof that our intelligence is general?

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
The first thing to come to mind is the traveling salesman problem and the host of other unsolved math problems which we suspect may be unsolvable-by-us. There's also problems of self reference. A Turing machine may be able to solve the halting problem for pushdown automata, but it can't solve the halting problem for Turing machines. Whether or not we're as capable as Turing machines, there's a halting problem for us and we can't solve it. I'm restricted to mathy spaces here because how else would you construct a well defined question that you cannot answer? But I see no reason why there wouldn't be other perspectives that we're incapable of accessing, it's just that in these cases the ability to construct the question is just as out of reach as the ability to answer it. You may have heard talk about known unknowns and unknown unknowns, but there are also known unknowables and unknown unknowables, and maybe even unknowable unknowables (I go into this in greater detail here: https://github.com/MatrixManAtYrService/Righting/blob/master/YAH/YAH.pdf https://github.com/MatrixManAtYrService/Righting/blob/master...). In any case, I don't think it's ever valid to take one's inability to find examples as proof of something unless you can also prove that the search was exhaustive. Instead of AGI, we should call it AHI: artificial human intelligence, or SHI: super human intelligence. That would be much clearer and would sidestep the generality issue.
xandrius 3y ago
We already have technology which beats what we would be capable of ever doing and almost instantaneously. If you want a concrete example, astronomical image processing would be one: impossible for humans without AI.
- sinuhe69 3y ago
  We invented machine and software to solve such problems. Is that not solving the problem?
  - xandrius 3y ago
    In that same logic, if we invent AGI and then it solves a problem for us then it counts for humanity? (and of course it does but here we're talking about something that humans wouldn't solve without AGI)
janalsncm 3y ago
Arithmetic comes to mind. We can multiply large numbers but we’re very bad at it.
- sinuhe69 3y ago
  Man, but we invented the calculator and the computer for that!
  - janalsncm 3y ago
    Yes we did, but there’s a difference between delegating a task (asking a computer to do it) and executing the task (running the calculation). Otherwise you might as well say humans can run 40mph because we can ride horses. Also, no one person invented the calculator. The calculator is the culmination of hundreds or even thousands of years of invention. It’s not like the knowledge or creativity is in each of our brains and we could each build a calculator given the requisite materials. It took thousands of lifetimes of ingenuity. So there’s another answer to your question of things we aren’t efficient at solving: building a calculator.
davidivadavid 3y ago
Wikipedia "list of unsolved problems in X."

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago

The first thing to come to mind is the traveling salesman problem and the host of other unsolved math problems which we suspect may be unsolvable-by-us. There's also problems of self reference. A Turing machine may be able to solve the halting problem for pushdown automata, but it can't solve the halting problem for Turing machines. Whether or not we're as capable as Turing machines, there's a halting problem for us and we can't solve it. I'm restricted to mathy spaces here because how else would you construct a well defined question that you cannot answer? But I see no reason why there wouldn't be other perspectives that we're incapable of accessing, it's just that in these cases the ability to construct the question is just as out of reach as the ability to answer it. You may have heard talk about known unknowns and unknown unknowns, but there are also known unknowables and unknown unknowables, and maybe even unknowable unknowables (I go into this in greater detail here: https://github.com/MatrixManAtYrService/Righting/blob/master/YAH/YAH.pdf https://github.com/MatrixManAtYrService/Righting/blob/master...). In any case, I don't think it's ever valid to take one's inability to find examples as proof of something unless you can also prove that the search was exhaustive. Instead of AGI, we should call it AHI: artificial human intelligence, or SHI: super human intelligence. That would be much clearer and would sidestep the generality issue.

xandrius 3y ago

We already have technology which beats what we would be capable of ever doing and almost instantaneously. If you want a concrete example, astronomical image processing would be one: impossible for humans without AI.

sinuhe69 3y ago
We invented machine and software to solve such problems. Is that not solving the problem?
- xandrius 3y ago
  In that same logic, if we invent AGI and then it solves a problem for us then it counts for humanity? (and of course it does but here we're talking about something that humans wouldn't solve without AGI)

janalsncm 3y ago

Arithmetic comes to mind. We can multiply large numbers but we’re very bad at it.

sinuhe69 3y ago
Man, but we invented the calculator and the computer for that!
- janalsncm 3y ago
  Yes we did, but there’s a difference between delegating a task (asking a computer to do it) and executing the task (running the calculation). Otherwise you might as well say humans can run 40mph because we can ride horses. Also, no one person invented the calculator. The calculator is the culmination of hundreds or even thousands of years of invention. It’s not like the knowledge or creativity is in each of our brains and we could each build a calculator given the requisite materials. It took thousands of lifetimes of ingenuity. So there’s another answer to your question of things we aren’t efficient at solving: building a calculator.

davidivadavid 3y ago

Wikipedia "list of unsolved problems in X."