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Why did they take hostages to begin with. And why did they take them past perfectly fine hospitals? There was no risk.

hef19898 3y ago
Why did they take hostages? Because it was a terror attack? And no, of course there is no threat if suoerior military starts levelling the city around you, why would that be dangerous in anyway... By the way, the IDF already killed three hostages waving white flags. Nice rescue operation, I have to admit. At least now those hostages are safe from both, Hamas and the IDF.
- throwaway2990 3y ago
  Wow clutching hard at straws to justify hamas and deny their usage of hospitals as military bases.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    There is no proof Hamas ever did that so. No investigation foind any, and there have been multiple. Not sure what to think of people that are ok with bombing hospitals for any reason at all, even the made up ones the parrot around. And no, I do not justify Hamas. I do fully understand why they are so radical so, but this is quite different from justifying them. You on the other hand are trying to justify the targeting of civilians and non-combatants in war. And that targeting, that is a war crime.
    - throwaway2990 3y ago
      lol no proof cos Hamas said it wasn’t so right. Like when they said there’s no tunnels. Then tunnels were found. So everyone’s like no it’s an elevator. Turns out it’s not an elevator. But it wasn’t used. Full of chairs and bed. But there’s no guns. Tunnels are blocked. But they aren’t in use… Or when they said Israel bombed a hospital and 500 were dead. Then the photos and videos came out and it was Hamas missile and it was in the parking lot with a tiny crater. Or when they said Israel bombed the Egypt trucks bringing supplies to civilians. Then the videos and photos came out and it was the civilians intercepting the trucks for food because Hamas steals it all. Yeah let’s believe everything Hamas tells us haha. Brainwashed by the media to believe conspiracy theories. You probably support Russia too.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        If Russia is attacked and defends itself, respexting international law and not commiting war crimes, yes I absolutely support them. They din't, so I don't. I don't believe Hamas, nor the IDF. I tend to believe UN investigations of past conflicts around that very question, and those didn't find evidence. And the Hamas stealing food is such a twisted take, it almost is lying. What I do not support is war xcimes, ethnic cleanising and the suffering of civilians. Regardless of who is doing or causing it. You on the other hand, I'm not so sure.
GordonS 3y ago
> Why did they take hostages to begin with Hamas stated their aim very clearly - to have Israeli hostages to trade for the thousands of Palestinian hostages that are held in Israeli dungeons.
- bennyz 3y ago
  Thousands of Palestinian hostages? What are you talking about? Please clarify, as I assume you are not talking about prisoners convicted of terror activities.
  - GordonS 3y ago
    > convicted of terror activities Yes, such as "throwing stones" at armoured vehicles - truly despicable! Many are held without charge too. And many are held under "administrative detention", which means they can be held in a dungeon, without charge, forever. These are not the actions of a modern, progressive, democratic country. I'm sure that some are imprisoned for good reason, buy many are there for spurious reasons - and none of them should be tortured or subject to sexual abuse, regardless of their supposed crimes.
    - bennyz 3y ago
      You are moving the goalposts and reaching. Administrative detention is used on Israelis too, this is not the argument here. Those released in the latest exchange and in the Gilad Shalit exchange were convicted, many of which had innocent blood on their hands. Hamas isn't looking to correct the Israeli justice system, and you are calling actual and attempted murderers hostages...
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Way, way back there was an IDF officer who said, in TV, after having a Palestinian boys arm broken something along the lines of "he wont throw a stone with that arm any time soon". I hope that this is not the standard we hold, because if it is, there is no moral ground anymore to stand on when it comes to denouncing terrorism.

hef19898 3y ago

Why did they take hostages? Because it was a terror attack? And no, of course there is no threat if suoerior military starts levelling the city around you, why would that be dangerous in anyway... By the way, the IDF already killed three hostages waving white flags. Nice rescue operation, I have to admit. At least now those hostages are safe from both, Hamas and the IDF.

throwaway2990 3y ago
Wow clutching hard at straws to justify hamas and deny their usage of hospitals as military bases.
- hef19898 3y ago
  There is no proof Hamas ever did that so. No investigation foind any, and there have been multiple. Not sure what to think of people that are ok with bombing hospitals for any reason at all, even the made up ones the parrot around. And no, I do not justify Hamas. I do fully understand why they are so radical so, but this is quite different from justifying them. You on the other hand are trying to justify the targeting of civilians and non-combatants in war. And that targeting, that is a war crime.
  - throwaway2990 3y ago
    lol no proof cos Hamas said it wasn’t so right. Like when they said there’s no tunnels. Then tunnels were found. So everyone’s like no it’s an elevator. Turns out it’s not an elevator. But it wasn’t used. Full of chairs and bed. But there’s no guns. Tunnels are blocked. But they aren’t in use… Or when they said Israel bombed a hospital and 500 were dead. Then the photos and videos came out and it was Hamas missile and it was in the parking lot with a tiny crater. Or when they said Israel bombed the Egypt trucks bringing supplies to civilians. Then the videos and photos came out and it was the civilians intercepting the trucks for food because Hamas steals it all. Yeah let’s believe everything Hamas tells us haha. Brainwashed by the media to believe conspiracy theories. You probably support Russia too.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      If Russia is attacked and defends itself, respexting international law and not commiting war crimes, yes I absolutely support them. They din't, so I don't. I don't believe Hamas, nor the IDF. I tend to believe UN investigations of past conflicts around that very question, and those didn't find evidence. And the Hamas stealing food is such a twisted take, it almost is lying. What I do not support is war xcimes, ethnic cleanising and the suffering of civilians. Regardless of who is doing or causing it. You on the other hand, I'm not so sure.

GordonS 3y ago

> Why did they take hostages to begin with Hamas stated their aim very clearly - to have Israeli hostages to trade for the thousands of Palestinian hostages that are held in Israeli dungeons.

bennyz 3y ago
Thousands of Palestinian hostages? What are you talking about? Please clarify, as I assume you are not talking about prisoners convicted of terror activities.
- GordonS 3y ago
  > convicted of terror activities Yes, such as "throwing stones" at armoured vehicles - truly despicable! Many are held without charge too. And many are held under "administrative detention", which means they can be held in a dungeon, without charge, forever. These are not the actions of a modern, progressive, democratic country. I'm sure that some are imprisoned for good reason, buy many are there for spurious reasons - and none of them should be tortured or subject to sexual abuse, regardless of their supposed crimes.
  - bennyz 3y ago
    You are moving the goalposts and reaching. Administrative detention is used on Israelis too, this is not the argument here. Those released in the latest exchange and in the Gilad Shalit exchange were convicted, many of which had innocent blood on their hands. Hamas isn't looking to correct the Israeli justice system, and you are calling actual and attempted murderers hostages...
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Way, way back there was an IDF officer who said, in TV, after having a Palestinian boys arm broken something along the lines of "he wont throw a stone with that arm any time soon". I hope that this is not the standard we hold, because if it is, there is no moral ground anymore to stand on when it comes to denouncing terrorism.