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And how would that work in a society that is heavily leaning to monogami? Or repsecting the womens voice in that? Or squaring that with the manoshperes whining

by hef19898 3y ago

And how would that work in a society that is heavily leaning to monogami? Or repsecting the womens voice in that? Or squaring that with the manoshperes whining about declining male fertility? And no, a man cannot realostically have hundreds of babies. Unless, of course, you don't give women a voice in the process. And even then, only a small minority of men would actually be up to follow through with something that amounts to rape.

Jensson 3y ago
Genghis Khan is estimated to have had over a thousand children, it is an extreme example but it certainly is possible. About 8% of men in previously Mongol areas carry his Y chromosome. > Or repsecting the womens voice in that? Believe it or not, but some women actually wants to have babies with men even if they wont get a relationship from it. Why do you believe women can only want a monogamous close relationship? I know of a happy woman who had 2 kids with a guy she never had a relationship with, the kids are happy etc.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Because that is the norm, more or less everywhere. Unless you count societies in which men have so much power they can do whatever they want. And come in, Genghis Khan? And then such a laughable claim? How about Casanova then?
  - Jensson 3y ago
    > And then such a laughable claim? What claim is laughable? Gengis Khan dominating the gene pool? That is what the data says. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/18861516/how-many-children-did-genghis-khan-have/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/18861516/how-m... > In 2003, evolutionary geneticist Chris Tyler-Smith discovered that eight percent of men across 16 different Asian ethnic populations shared the same Y-chromosome pattern. This pattern was traced back to a shared origin from about 1,000 years ago and to create so many descendants it is thought that this origin, or person, would have had to have a huge number of sons. Genghis Khan is known in contemporary literature for fathering hundreds of children in this area, so historians and geneticists presume the common origin of the chromosome is the first Mongolian emperor himself.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      You seriously, unironically, link to the TV and Showbiz section of the SUN? And there I was, thinking Twitter would be the worst source I see on HN... At least it is not a TikTok short.
      - Jensson 3y ago
        Nature article, happy now? > The case for Genghis Khan’s genetic legacy is strong, if circumstantial. A 2003 paper2 led by Chris Tyler-Smith, an evolutionary geneticist now at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in Hinxton, UK, discovered that 8% of men in 16 populations spanning Asia (and 0.5% of men worldwide) shared nearly identical Y-chromosome sequences. The variation that did exist in their DNA suggested that the lineage began around 1,000 years ago in Mongolia. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.16767#:~:text=The%20Mongolian%20leader%20left%20a,was%20not%20the%20only%20one.&text=Millions%20of%20men%20bear%20the,ruler%20who%20died%20in%201227 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.16767#:~:text=Th....
        hef19898 3y ago
        Anything more recent backong up the, I quote, "strong, if circumstantial" claim? The claim sure is sensational and hood for headlines. If true, it would be quite a thing in the field of genetics. So I assume there was more than one study done, right? Also on the method used, because it coupd be used for so many other use cases! Good to know so, that we all can be Genghis Khan if we want. Finally an alternative to Batman! And we would even save, I assume, western civilisation by producing a lot of good strong children with the, what, Harem (we would need a better, western term for that, right?) we get provided by, well, whom exactly?
        Jensson 3y ago
        > And we would even save, I assume, western civilisation by producing a lot of good strong children with the, what, Harem (we would need a better, western term for that, right?) we get provided by, well, whom exactly? What are you even talking about here? Can you stop talking to a strawman that only exists in your head? All people is saying that men can have way more children than women can have, you argued against that, I provided evidence that it is actually true and has happened. Why are you starting to talk about unrelated things then?
geraldhh 3y ago
makes one wonder if having an affair/fwb is the common and cold reality behind the curtain of the monogamous relationships.
- hef19898 3y ago
  No, it doesn't.
  - geraldhh 3y ago
    "isn't" i guess? thanks for the faithful comment thou
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Oh, affaires do exist. Always have. They are, especially since divorce is socially acceptable, the minority. Personally, I don't have an issue with this, people are free to live their lives.

Jensson 3y ago

Genghis Khan is estimated to have had over a thousand children, it is an extreme example but it certainly is possible. About 8% of men in previously Mongol areas carry his Y chromosome. > Or repsecting the womens voice in that? Believe it or not, but some women actually wants to have babies with men even if they wont get a relationship from it. Why do you believe women can only want a monogamous close relationship? I know of a happy woman who had 2 kids with a guy she never had a relationship with, the kids are happy etc.

hef19898 3y ago
Because that is the norm, more or less everywhere. Unless you count societies in which men have so much power they can do whatever they want. And come in, Genghis Khan? And then such a laughable claim? How about Casanova then?
- Jensson 3y ago
  > And then such a laughable claim? What claim is laughable? Gengis Khan dominating the gene pool? That is what the data says. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/18861516/how-many-children-did-genghis-khan-have/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/bizarre/18861516/how-m... > In 2003, evolutionary geneticist Chris Tyler-Smith discovered that eight percent of men across 16 different Asian ethnic populations shared the same Y-chromosome pattern. This pattern was traced back to a shared origin from about 1,000 years ago and to create so many descendants it is thought that this origin, or person, would have had to have a huge number of sons. Genghis Khan is known in contemporary literature for fathering hundreds of children in this area, so historians and geneticists presume the common origin of the chromosome is the first Mongolian emperor himself.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    You seriously, unironically, link to the TV and Showbiz section of the SUN? And there I was, thinking Twitter would be the worst source I see on HN... At least it is not a TikTok short.
    - Jensson 3y ago
      Nature article, happy now? > The case for Genghis Khan’s genetic legacy is strong, if circumstantial. A 2003 paper2 led by Chris Tyler-Smith, an evolutionary geneticist now at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in Hinxton, UK, discovered that 8% of men in 16 populations spanning Asia (and 0.5% of men worldwide) shared nearly identical Y-chromosome sequences. The variation that did exist in their DNA suggested that the lineage began around 1,000 years ago in Mongolia. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.16767#:~:text=The%20Mongolian%20leader%20left%20a,was%20not%20the%20only%20one.&text=Millions%20of%20men%20bear%20the,ruler%20who%20died%20in%201227 https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.16767#:~:text=Th....
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Anything more recent backong up the, I quote, "strong, if circumstantial" claim? The claim sure is sensational and hood for headlines. If true, it would be quite a thing in the field of genetics. So I assume there was more than one study done, right? Also on the method used, because it coupd be used for so many other use cases! Good to know so, that we all can be Genghis Khan if we want. Finally an alternative to Batman! And we would even save, I assume, western civilisation by producing a lot of good strong children with the, what, Harem (we would need a better, western term for that, right?) we get provided by, well, whom exactly?
        Jensson 3y ago
        > And we would even save, I assume, western civilisation by producing a lot of good strong children with the, what, Harem (we would need a better, western term for that, right?) we get provided by, well, whom exactly? What are you even talking about here? Can you stop talking to a strawman that only exists in your head? All people is saying that men can have way more children than women can have, you argued against that, I provided evidence that it is actually true and has happened. Why are you starting to talk about unrelated things then?

geraldhh 3y ago

makes one wonder if having an affair/fwb is the common and cold reality behind the curtain of the monogamous relationships.

hef19898 3y ago
No, it doesn't.
- geraldhh 3y ago
  "isn't" i guess? thanks for the faithful comment thou
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Oh, affaires do exist. Always have. They are, especially since divorce is socially acceptable, the minority. Personally, I don't have an issue with this, people are free to live their lives.