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Just as Linux Desktop market share is going up and a lot of my gamer friends are full-time switching to Linux, major distros decide its the right time to break

Just as Linux Desktop market share is going up and a lot of my gamer friends are full-time switching to Linux, major distros decide its the right time to break every single nvidia user's distro by default. Thats what this is.

greggsy 3y ago
It’s like when Gnome 3 came out, and everyone who was just getting a taste of Linux through the more accessible Ubuntu was forced to use a (IMHO) crap UI. It was polished, but it basically copied the much loathet full screen ‘menu’ from Windows 8.
- jdub 3y ago
  Ubuntu was released with GNOME 2.8, was shipping Unity as the default desktop at the time GNOME 3 was released, and only switched the default desktop to GNOME 3.28 (configured to look more like Unity) in 2018.
atemerev 3y ago
Nvidia now works more or less fine with Wayland.
alwayslikethis 3y ago
Nvidia on Wayland isn't that broken anymore at least if you have recent cards.
- gliptic 3y ago
  Lots of things running under Xwayland are unusable until the implicit/explicit sync issue between nvidia/wayland is resolved.
- Timon3 3y ago
  I recently set up a new Desktop system with an RTX 4080 and installed Fedora Kinoite (specifically ublue-nvidia). Things were weirdly broken in many ways: - Many apps were flickering between the actual content and black rectangles - Games didn't work at all, most without any error messages or discernible reasons, some told me they couldn't find a GPU - I couldn't use CUDA at all - Firefox couldn't use WebGL or play content with hardware acceleration After debugging this for multiple days I switched to X11, and everything immediately worked. I'm relatively proficient with Linux, and I have no idea what the issue was or how I could continue debugging it. So, at least for me, NVidia is still completely broken with Wayland.
- orbital-decay 3y ago
  It works more or less fine (if you don't care about the feature parity) on bleeding edge Plasma 6 and Hyprland, if you manually apply a bunch of explicit sync patches made by Nvidia a year ago that Wayland devs won't merge. It works very poorly otherwise, especially XWayland apps and anything 3D - flickering, stuttering, artifacts, out of order frames.
sloowm 3y ago
Nvidia on Fedora has never worked out of the box and it's not the distro breaking the Nvidia user's distro but Nvidia. Also if you like a stable system without early adoption features you should not be on Fedora.
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lbhdc 3y ago
I have been running Wayland with nvidia drivers for ~1.5yrs as my daily driver. I haven't had any issues with lutris (primary means that I use to install games) or with wine underneath.
tristan957 3y ago
Why should Fedora be held back by closed-source proprietary graphics drivers?
- lionkor 3y ago
  Because users are using those drivers...? Sure you can say 'fuck the users, they should just buy a different GPU', but thats exactly my point. Bad time to do that as its picking up steam
- josephcsible 3y ago
  Because it's better than the alternative of people with Nvidia cards going back to Windows.
  - tristan957 3y ago
    How is that better for me as someone who has no intention of buying a product from a company as hostile as Nvidia?

greggsy 3y ago

It’s like when Gnome 3 came out, and everyone who was just getting a taste of Linux through the more accessible Ubuntu was forced to use a (IMHO) crap UI. It was polished, but it basically copied the much loathet full screen ‘menu’ from Windows 8.

jdub 3y ago
Ubuntu was released with GNOME 2.8, was shipping Unity as the default desktop at the time GNOME 3 was released, and only switched the default desktop to GNOME 3.28 (configured to look more like Unity) in 2018.

atemerev 3y ago

Nvidia now works more or less fine with Wayland.

alwayslikethis 3y ago

Nvidia on Wayland isn't that broken anymore at least if you have recent cards.

gliptic 3y ago
Lots of things running under Xwayland are unusable until the implicit/explicit sync issue between nvidia/wayland is resolved.
Timon3 3y ago
I recently set up a new Desktop system with an RTX 4080 and installed Fedora Kinoite (specifically ublue-nvidia). Things were weirdly broken in many ways: - Many apps were flickering between the actual content and black rectangles - Games didn't work at all, most without any error messages or discernible reasons, some told me they couldn't find a GPU - I couldn't use CUDA at all - Firefox couldn't use WebGL or play content with hardware acceleration After debugging this for multiple days I switched to X11, and everything immediately worked. I'm relatively proficient with Linux, and I have no idea what the issue was or how I could continue debugging it. So, at least for me, NVidia is still completely broken with Wayland.
orbital-decay 3y ago
It works more or less fine (if you don't care about the feature parity) on bleeding edge Plasma 6 and Hyprland, if you manually apply a bunch of explicit sync patches made by Nvidia a year ago that Wayland devs won't merge. It works very poorly otherwise, especially XWayland apps and anything 3D - flickering, stuttering, artifacts, out of order frames.

sloowm 3y ago

Nvidia on Fedora has never worked out of the box and it's not the distro breaking the Nvidia user's distro but Nvidia. Also if you like a stable system without early adoption features you should not be on Fedora.

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lbhdc 3y ago

I have been running Wayland with nvidia drivers for ~1.5yrs as my daily driver. I haven't had any issues with lutris (primary means that I use to install games) or with wine underneath.

tristan957 3y ago

Why should Fedora be held back by closed-source proprietary graphics drivers?

lionkor 3y ago
Because users are using those drivers...? Sure you can say 'fuck the users, they should just buy a different GPU', but thats exactly my point. Bad time to do that as its picking up steam
josephcsible 3y ago
Because it's better than the alternative of people with Nvidia cards going back to Windows.
- tristan957 3y ago
  How is that better for me as someone who has no intention of buying a product from a company as hostile as Nvidia?