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This seems weird to me because they mainly just argue that abusing kids is bad, which I think is an extremely uncontroversial opinion. The critical discussion i

This seems weird to me because they mainly just argue that abusing kids is bad, which I think is an extremely uncontroversial opinion. The critical discussion is how to reduce/prevent abuse without the government becoming overly authoritarian and/or false positives ruining otherwise healthy families. Because the government taking kids away from their parents, even with the best of intentions, probably also can be seen as abuse.

nextaccountic 3y ago
> This seems weird to me because they mainly just argue that abusing kids is bad No, the study provides evidence that childhood abuse causes mental health problems in adulthood, which is much more specific than "bad". > The critical discussion is how to reduce/prevent abuse This is an entirely separate discussion.
octokatt 3y ago
> This seems weird to me because they mainly just argue that abusing kids is bad, which I think is an extremely uncontroversial opinion. This shouldn't be a controversial opinion, but it is. Corporal punishment is still legal [0], and is now being reintroduced in some schooling systems in the US [1]. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" are still common phrases in use, despite this research. Particularly, mental illness research looking at genetic factors [2] [3], can cause people to downplay trauma-related mental illness, leading to things like "they were weak; other people can survive this", or my favorite "I went through that and I was fine, what's your problem" (N=1, but this last I heard _while someone was discussing their SA experience_). We unfortunately need research like this and the linked below to provide common ground for the discussions needed to prevent abuse. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5766273/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5766273/ [1] https://missouriindependent.com/2023/04/03/passing-the-paddle-some-missouri-school-districts-cling-to-corporal-punishment/ https://missouriindependent.com/2023/04/03/passing-the-paddl... [2] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/common-genetic-factors-found-5-mental-disorders https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/common-... [3] https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/genes-and-mental-illness https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/genes-and-mental-illness

nextaccountic 3y ago

> This seems weird to me because they mainly just argue that abusing kids is bad No, the study provides evidence that childhood abuse causes mental health problems in adulthood, which is much more specific than "bad". > The critical discussion is how to reduce/prevent abuse This is an entirely separate discussion.

octokatt 3y ago

> This seems weird to me because they mainly just argue that abusing kids is bad, which I think is an extremely uncontroversial opinion. This shouldn't be a controversial opinion, but it is. Corporal punishment is still legal [0], and is now being reintroduced in some schooling systems in the US [1]. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" are still common phrases in use, despite this research. Particularly, mental illness research looking at genetic factors [2] [3], can cause people to downplay trauma-related mental illness, leading to things like "they were weak; other people can survive this", or my favorite "I went through that and I was fine, what's your problem" (N=1, but this last I heard _while someone was discussing their SA experience_). We unfortunately need research like this and the linked below to provide common ground for the discussions needed to prevent abuse. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5766273/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5766273/ [1] https://missouriindependent.com/2023/04/03/passing-the-paddle-some-missouri-school-districts-cling-to-corporal-punishment/ https://missouriindependent.com/2023/04/03/passing-the-paddl... [2] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/common-genetic-factors-found-5-mental-disorders https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/common-... [3] https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/genes-and-mental-illness https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/genes-and-mental-illness