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Hamas is the sovereign in Gaza. It’s literally their elected government.

hef19898 3y ago
You should check when the last election was. And even if the majority supports Hamas, it is NEVER a justification to target civilians.
- diordiderot 3y ago
  72% isn't some[0]. Civilians aren't targeted just collateral damage. 0:https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/#:~:text=JERUSALEM%2C%20Dec%2013%20(Reuters),respected%20Palestinian%20polling%20institute%20found https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palesti....
  - hef19898 3y ago
    If you select target liberally enough, classify combatants on liberal enough criteria and use munition liberal enough, as shown by IDF reports, numbers and whistelblower accounts, the colleteral damage becomes the target. And hell, you are really surprised after everything Israel did in Gaza so far, that support for Hamas rises? Really? I suggest to whatch the first season of Andor for an in-depth explanation of why a hard crackdown is usually only hardening resistence.
    - golergka 3y ago
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      - hef19898 3y ago
        Not sure what want to say, but here some dates, courtesy of wiki: - Hamas won 42.5% in the elections in 2006, no elections took place since - Hamas support was not strong, based in the few pols done, it increased after Israels attack And the last bit what is so not surprising. Edit: If you are interested in how we ended up with this cluster fuck, wikipedia is good place. Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context. I don't have everything in my head, and reading up yourself is way faster than me retyping a summary. Israel not leveling Gaza would have a great option.
        diordiderot 3y ago
        > Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context Can't forget 1937 (what happened before Nakba) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_... Or 1929 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text=The%20Hebron%20massacre%20was%20the,scores%20seriously%20wounded%20or%20maimed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text.... Or 900 CE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=The%20Rashidun%20Caliphate%20(Arabic%3A%20%D9%B1%D9%84%D9%92%D8%AE%D9%90%D9%84%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8E%D8%A9%D9%8F,632%20CE%20(11%20AH) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=T.... Or 1000 BCE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_mo...
        golergka 3y ago
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        hef19898 3y ago
        Genozid and ethinic cleansing are not an act of self defence. That people fail to see that is troublesome. And no, I won't go back to King David and the Romans. The current conflict between Palestinians and Israel can be traced back to right after WW2. That's were the interesting events start. Going back further is not helpful.
        golergka 3y ago
        That's your choice, but it's just an arbitrary point in time, by which Arabs have airway been slaughtering Jews for generations. You could have just as well choose last week as a starting point.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Pointless to further discuss with you.
        3y ago
matsemann 3y ago
Elected in 2006. Half the population weren't even alive then. Over then thousand dead children the last months also have had no say even if there had been a recent election. Don't try to blame this on the victims.

hef19898 3y ago

You should check when the last election was. And even if the majority supports Hamas, it is NEVER a justification to target civilians.

diordiderot 3y ago
72% isn't some[0]. Civilians aren't targeted just collateral damage. 0:https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/#:~:text=JERUSALEM%2C%20Dec%2013%20(Reuters),respected%20Palestinian%20polling%20institute%20found https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palesti....
- hef19898 3y ago
  If you select target liberally enough, classify combatants on liberal enough criteria and use munition liberal enough, as shown by IDF reports, numbers and whistelblower accounts, the colleteral damage becomes the target. And hell, you are really surprised after everything Israel did in Gaza so far, that support for Hamas rises? Really? I suggest to whatch the first season of Andor for an in-depth explanation of why a hard crackdown is usually only hardening resistence.
  - golergka 3y ago
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    - hef19898 3y ago
      Not sure what want to say, but here some dates, courtesy of wiki: - Hamas won 42.5% in the elections in 2006, no elections took place since - Hamas support was not strong, based in the few pols done, it increased after Israels attack And the last bit what is so not surprising. Edit: If you are interested in how we ended up with this cluster fuck, wikipedia is good place. Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context. I don't have everything in my head, and reading up yourself is way faster than me retyping a summary. Israel not leveling Gaza would have a great option.
      - diordiderot 3y ago
        > Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context Can't forget 1937 (what happened before Nakba) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_... Or 1929 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text=The%20Hebron%20massacre%20was%20the,scores%20seriously%20wounded%20or%20maimed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text.... Or 900 CE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=The%20Rashidun%20Caliphate%20(Arabic%3A%20%D9%B1%D9%84%D9%92%D8%AE%D9%90%D9%84%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8E%D8%A9%D9%8F,632%20CE%20(11%20AH) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=T.... Or 1000 BCE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_mo...
      - golergka 3y ago
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        hef19898 3y ago
        Genozid and ethinic cleansing are not an act of self defence. That people fail to see that is troublesome. And no, I won't go back to King David and the Romans. The current conflict between Palestinians and Israel can be traced back to right after WW2. That's were the interesting events start. Going back further is not helpful.
        golergka 3y ago
        That's your choice, but it's just an arbitrary point in time, by which Arabs have airway been slaughtering Jews for generations. You could have just as well choose last week as a starting point.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Pointless to further discuss with you.
        3y ago

matsemann 3y ago

Elected in 2006. Half the population weren't even alive then. Over then thousand dead children the last months also have had no say even if there had been a recent election. Don't try to blame this on the victims.