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What if intelligence is an product of consciousness, and consciousness is an product of something that can never have a physical definition and is always ethere
by jimmcslim 3y ago
What if intelligence is an product of consciousness, and consciousness is an product of something that can never have a physical definition and is always ethereal... i.e. a "soul".
If we can achieve AGI simply through more and more computation, no matter how novel it is, its ultimately ifs, loops and arithmetic... then surely the human experience is ultimately just a 'wet LLM' (or whatever we end up calling the machine learning technology behind AGI).
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- laerus 3y agoUnrelated but do you believe animals have a soul?
- zhugeyangyang 3y agoI think it's just a bubble, containing some internal context
- akasakahakada 3y agoUhh again the "only human has soul" argument. What means by soul, please define this word, philosopher. Does bird know language grammars indicate that soul exist? Does fish can do arithmetic up to 5 show that their soul exist? Does elephant do funeral to their dead fellow show that there is a soul? Can this humancentric ideology just go away?
- namaria 3y agoThis person literally just asked a question. Put down your stones
- err4nt 3y agoLike humans, they have physical bodies and the breath of life in them. For the sake of what this person was talking about it seems like it would apply to their intelligence as well.
- baq 3y agoWhat’s the difference between real consciousness and simulated in silico consciousness? If the fake consciousness is good enough there shouldn’t be any. Is a soul made out of matrix multiplications and dot products worse than a soul made of neurons?
- akasakahakada 3y agoThis is the kind of question that every NonSTEM people would struggle at. Given function F and G. For all input x, resulting F(x) = G(x), this indicate that obviously F and G is the same thing whether inside or outside.
- exe34 3y agoI like to call it carbon chauvinism. There are people who believe that no matter how high the simulation fidelity, no matter the level you simulate the neurons, you can't simulate consciousness. I think they can be safely ignored until after we've tried.
- necovek 3y agoThe problem with that stance is that it really is "until we succeed", which might never come. So that's why it is similarly exclusionary: I think we should try, but also look to see if we can learn more to maybe rule it out altogether.
- exe34 3y ago> I think we should try, but also look to see if we can learn more to maybe rule it out altogether. Who's stopping you?
- injidup 3y agoGiven that Harry Potter, Jedi Knights and Souls are fantasy items from literature your point with regards to testable silicon based intelligence is what exaclty?
- err4nt 3y agoThis is kind of where I've been thinking lately. If I can speak of human bodies like computer hardware, there is a physical limit to our hardware and how much data it can process, and yet intelligence seems to be something beyond the hardware. Something that the living 'you' brings to your hardware.