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The thing about adoption in start ups is that Visual Studio 2010 Pro is so expensive. If Microsoft really wants to stay relevant they have to release Pro for fr

The thing about adoption in start ups is that Visual Studio 2010 Pro is so expensive. If Microsoft really wants to stay relevant they have to release Pro for free. They have to compete on price with the Eclipse or VIM/command line world. Until then, they will slowly die off. (The express versions are a joke, don't even get me started).

Elepsis 14y ago
Microsoft runs a BizSpark program that, for all intents and purposes, gives startups access to most Microsoft software for free. http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/ http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/
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  - kmontrose 14y ago
    You only pay for licenses over 4 OS and 2 SQL Server (or outright new ones) after graduating BizSpark. 2 SQL Servers (OS licenses are chump change by comparison) go a loooong way* too, as you're presumably scaling up rather than out. http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/about/Graduation.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/about/Graduation.aspx Through the grapevine I hear the "review" process (for more free licenses at graduation) is extraordinarily accommodating, though I'd guess if you're spinning up a box per customer or something insane you'd get denied. Lots of people get this wrong, I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't carved this correction into a mountain somewhere... *Stack Exchange is running 2 + failover ( http://blog.serverfault.com/2011/09/30/the-stack-exchange-architecture-2011-edition-episode-1/ http://blog.serverfault.com/2011/09/30/the-stack-exchange-ar... ), and was running on 1 not too terribly long ago.
    - yuhong 14y ago
      Did not realize it changed later. Thank you.
Too 14y ago
May i ask what's a joke about VS Express? IMO they are very much capable. At least for windows forms and web-applications, never tried the c++ version. In fact it beats any other IDE i've tried anyway. Only thing i really miss from pro is plugins, version control-integration and code contracts, the last being a thing that probably justifies a price tag anyway.
- virmundi 14y ago
  You can't unit test with them out of the box. To get unit test integration is a rather large effort. If you want to carve a project into a web layer and into the business assembly, you have to jump between editors (web and C#). These two make the tools rather worthless for anything complex and web based. Now their WinForms ability might be great, but there are few start ups out there at are actually doing anything with desktop development.

Elepsis 14y ago

Microsoft runs a BizSpark program that, for all intents and purposes, gives startups access to most Microsoft software for free. http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/ http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/

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- kmontrose 14y ago
  You only pay for licenses over 4 OS and 2 SQL Server (or outright new ones) after graduating BizSpark. 2 SQL Servers (OS licenses are chump change by comparison) go a loooong way* too, as you're presumably scaling up rather than out. http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/about/Graduation.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/bizspark/about/Graduation.aspx Through the grapevine I hear the "review" process (for more free licenses at graduation) is extraordinarily accommodating, though I'd guess if you're spinning up a box per customer or something insane you'd get denied. Lots of people get this wrong, I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't carved this correction into a mountain somewhere... *Stack Exchange is running 2 + failover ( http://blog.serverfault.com/2011/09/30/the-stack-exchange-architecture-2011-edition-episode-1/ http://blog.serverfault.com/2011/09/30/the-stack-exchange-ar... ), and was running on 1 not too terribly long ago.
  - yuhong 14y ago
    Did not realize it changed later. Thank you.

Too 14y ago

May i ask what's a joke about VS Express? IMO they are very much capable. At least for windows forms and web-applications, never tried the c++ version. In fact it beats any other IDE i've tried anyway. Only thing i really miss from pro is plugins, version control-integration and code contracts, the last being a thing that probably justifies a price tag anyway.

virmundi 14y ago
You can't unit test with them out of the box. To get unit test integration is a rather large effort. If you want to carve a project into a web layer and into the business assembly, you have to jump between editors (web and C#). These two make the tools rather worthless for anything complex and web based. Now their WinForms ability might be great, but there are few start ups out there at are actually doing anything with desktop development.