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Don’t use rinse aid products, some have been found to damage the lining of your intestines at extremely low concentrations. Personally i never even noticed a d

Don’t use rinse aid products, some have been found to damage the lining of your intestines at extremely low concentrations. Personally i never even noticed a difference when i did use them. https://www.aaaai.org/tools-for-the-public/latest-research-summaries/the-journal-of-allergy-and-clinical-immunology/2022/gut#:~:text=The%20research%20group%20demonstrated%20that,cells%20in%201%3A20%2C000%20dilutions https://www.aaaai.org/tools-for-the-public/latest-research-s....

booi 3y ago
The fact that the scent stays on dishes after even multiple washes with detergent speaks to how powerful of a surfactant rinse aids are. 2/10 do not recommend.
rahimnathwani 3y ago
This article is about rinse aids used on commercial dishwashers. Do rinse aids sold for domestic dishwashers contain the same stuff?
- cyberax 3y ago
  Yes, it is. And it is assumed to be safe in the concentrations used. This finding has not yet been confirmed in real studies on humans, only on tissue models. I just checked, and my rinse aid has 0.2% of ethoxylated alcohols. So this would be around 500 times dilution already, and the rinse aid is further diluted by about 100x by the dishwasher. The article found some effects at 1:20000 dilution. So I think that it might be concerning, but not too alarming.
- chefandy 3y ago
  Yeah it would suck if it ended up being really harmful because alcohol ethoxylates are in way more stuff than rinse aids. https://www.ewg.org/guides/substances/16368-ALCOHOLETHOXYLATESC10C16SODIUMSALT/ https://www.ewg.org/guides/substances/16368-ALCOHOLETHOXYLAT...
cyberax 3y ago
You can make your own rinse aid, just use a bit of citric acid (to chelate metal ions to soften the water), a dash of EDTA (also a chelator), and a mild surfactant.
- GuB-42 3y ago
  But isn't it what the commercial rinse aids the article talks about are made of? Doing stuff by yourself is always interesting, but rince aid is cheap, and according to the article, apparently harmless at the concentrations used in household dishwashers, so unless you want something specific, why bother?
Johnny555 3y ago
Personally i never even noticed a difference when i did use them I always thought rinse aid was only needed if you have hard water. We have pretty soft water and like you, I found that rinse aid made no difference at all in drying performance or preventing water spots (we have no water spots even without rinse aid).
- jhugo 3y ago
  Very hard water here. There’s a tank for salt in the bottom of the dishwasher, as long as I keep that topped up there’s no need for rinse aid.
GuB-42 3y ago
The study did not find damage at the concentrations typically used in household dishwashers. This is only for professional dishwashers. You may have a point with regard to this article though, as the author uses professional dishwasher rinse aid and detergent without real knowledge of what is happening. If you don't notice any difference when using rince aid, you may have very soft water. On many dishwashers (not sure about Bob), you are supposed to adjust the amount of rinse aid being used depending on your water hardness level, and for very soft water, it may very well be zero.

booi 3y ago

The fact that the scent stays on dishes after even multiple washes with detergent speaks to how powerful of a surfactant rinse aids are. 2/10 do not recommend.

rahimnathwani 3y ago

This article is about rinse aids used on commercial dishwashers. Do rinse aids sold for domestic dishwashers contain the same stuff?

cyberax 3y ago
Yes, it is. And it is assumed to be safe in the concentrations used. This finding has not yet been confirmed in real studies on humans, only on tissue models. I just checked, and my rinse aid has 0.2% of ethoxylated alcohols. So this would be around 500 times dilution already, and the rinse aid is further diluted by about 100x by the dishwasher. The article found some effects at 1:20000 dilution. So I think that it might be concerning, but not too alarming.
chefandy 3y ago
Yeah it would suck if it ended up being really harmful because alcohol ethoxylates are in way more stuff than rinse aids. https://www.ewg.org/guides/substances/16368-ALCOHOLETHOXYLATESC10C16SODIUMSALT/ https://www.ewg.org/guides/substances/16368-ALCOHOLETHOXYLAT...

cyberax 3y ago

You can make your own rinse aid, just use a bit of citric acid (to chelate metal ions to soften the water), a dash of EDTA (also a chelator), and a mild surfactant.

GuB-42 3y ago
But isn't it what the commercial rinse aids the article talks about are made of? Doing stuff by yourself is always interesting, but rince aid is cheap, and according to the article, apparently harmless at the concentrations used in household dishwashers, so unless you want something specific, why bother?

Johnny555 3y ago

Personally i never even noticed a difference when i did use them I always thought rinse aid was only needed if you have hard water. We have pretty soft water and like you, I found that rinse aid made no difference at all in drying performance or preventing water spots (we have no water spots even without rinse aid).

jhugo 3y ago
Very hard water here. There’s a tank for salt in the bottom of the dishwasher, as long as I keep that topped up there’s no need for rinse aid.

GuB-42 3y ago

The study did not find damage at the concentrations typically used in household dishwashers. This is only for professional dishwashers. You may have a point with regard to this article though, as the author uses professional dishwasher rinse aid and detergent without real knowledge of what is happening. If you don't notice any difference when using rince aid, you may have very soft water. On many dishwashers (not sure about Bob), you are supposed to adjust the amount of rinse aid being used depending on your water hardness level, and for very soft water, it may very well be zero.