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That sounds like it has some obvious ways for the NTSB to play along: "Alright, sounds good. We've scheduled preliminary interviews with the 170000 employees.

That sounds like it has some obvious ways for the NTSB to play along: "Alright, sounds good. We've scheduled preliminary interviews with the 170000 employees. Here's the list of 5-minute appointment slots at our office. Please make sure your employees are on time, we expect the first batch of 28800 employees next week. We'll ask them a) whether they have anything to do with the door b) whether they want to report any other unethical practices, then schedule follow-up meetings as needed. No, we can't do this via Zoom." Optionally one week later: "due to the concerning number of reports we've received during our preliminary interviews, the planes are grounded until we finished the interviews". However, the article doesn't support your claim. They provided a list of everyone "on the door team", so probably a much smaller number, and they claim they can't figure out who did it because their documentation is incomplete. Which might be real, but also has an obvious solution: Ground all potentially affected planes until they're able to ensure their documentation is accurate.

Fischgericht 3y ago
Well, the article somewhat supports my claim if you read between the lines (remote the WeaselSpeak). But on a somewhat more serious note, my view on this is: I run a small company. We produce small-business electronic devices. If you would give me the serial number of one product produced 15 years ago, it would take me less than 2 minutes to query our database of work reports, showing which employee had produced it on what date and time, using which components, coming from which delivery lot. It would also be impossible that someone "forgot to put that in". You have to log in. You have to scan the device to be built. You have to scan the parts. You have to scan the finished product. There is automated QA. And there is manual inspection. Repair means - scan and go to step 1. You can not delete records from this database, unless you are a system administrator, and if you are, there are offline backups. And this is the minimum legal requirement in regards of product safety according to UL. For things that reside in homes on offices, not in the sky. "The dog sadly has eaten our homework" should be technically and practically impossible. It can't be possible by a single entity to forget this, let alone possible for multiple different management layers departments (production, QA, Compliance Management, whatever) to all on this one day having had "bring your kid to work day", while all going out smoking pot while the kids are building the airplanes for that day :) - Either these work logs exist, or they have been intentionally (!) not produced, or they have intentionally be purged. There is no such thing as "can't find" in this regard. To ground the planes may be good for aviation safety. But it also hurts the wrong people. But what really needs to happen here is to someone go there, knock down the door, and ground the management until the work reports are produced, or management guilt be admitted. It is shocking that the NTSB clearly does not have such powers, and that after more than two months of obvious stone-walling still have not been provided with any such powers. It should not even have come to the point of "If you won't provide the work reports, can we at least talk to the employees, pretty please?". They are supposed to be the regulatory authority. Where is the A-Team when you need it?
drstewart 3y ago
>No, we can't do this via Zoom. I think an important side note you bring up here is that remote work ISN'T really feasible in many cases, and being in person creates a huge difference in results.

Fischgericht 3y ago

Well, the article somewhat supports my claim if you read between the lines (remote the WeaselSpeak). But on a somewhat more serious note, my view on this is: I run a small company. We produce small-business electronic devices. If you would give me the serial number of one product produced 15 years ago, it would take me less than 2 minutes to query our database of work reports, showing which employee had produced it on what date and time, using which components, coming from which delivery lot. It would also be impossible that someone "forgot to put that in". You have to log in. You have to scan the device to be built. You have to scan the parts. You have to scan the finished product. There is automated QA. And there is manual inspection. Repair means - scan and go to step 1. You can not delete records from this database, unless you are a system administrator, and if you are, there are offline backups. And this is the minimum legal requirement in regards of product safety according to UL. For things that reside in homes on offices, not in the sky. "The dog sadly has eaten our homework" should be technically and practically impossible. It can't be possible by a single entity to forget this, let alone possible for multiple different management layers departments (production, QA, Compliance Management, whatever) to all on this one day having had "bring your kid to work day", while all going out smoking pot while the kids are building the airplanes for that day :) - Either these work logs exist, or they have been intentionally (!) not produced, or they have intentionally be purged. There is no such thing as "can't find" in this regard. To ground the planes may be good for aviation safety. But it also hurts the wrong people. But what really needs to happen here is to someone go there, knock down the door, and ground the management until the work reports are produced, or management guilt be admitted. It is shocking that the NTSB clearly does not have such powers, and that after more than two months of obvious stone-walling still have not been provided with any such powers. It should not even have come to the point of "If you won't provide the work reports, can we at least talk to the employees, pretty please?". They are supposed to be the regulatory authority. Where is the A-Team when you need it?

drstewart 3y ago

>No, we can't do this via Zoom. I think an important side note you bring up here is that remote work ISN'T really feasible in many cases, and being in person creates a huge difference in results.