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What good does giving the names of individuals to the NTSB do? They can give detailed testimony, eg indicating what the process was but also things like (for e

What good does giving the names of individuals to the NTSB do? They can give detailed testimony, eg indicating what the process was but also things like (for example) 'I spent the first half of my shift getting the door plug in place with the help of A and B, and then broke for lunch. As I returned to work a supervisor directed me to work on [something else]. I said the door plug wasn't finished but the supervisor told me it would be taken care of.' The thing with a spreading responsibility across the whole team is that it gets reduced to an abstraction and the disciplinary measures are ultimately up to Boeing. I think finding the faults in the chain of command requires canvassing individual workers who can share their first-hand experience on the factory floor. Otherwise the whole thing gets blamed on the 'door fitting team', but there isn't any incentive to look at whether similar corner-cutting happens on the wheel teams or the fuel tank installation teams or (fill in the blank). From what I've read about Boeing's work culture and the 737 production line, I really doubt it was just one unit that didn't pull their weight.

irjustin 3y ago
> They can give detailed testimony The incident report can be given this without naming the individual. Technician#2512.... And thusly I agree with your last sentence - it's not just one guy having the problem. There was a chain of failures. If someone forgot to put the plugs back, who was performing the inspection that that confirmed the plug was there? Who is the safety engineer that signs "this plane is fit to fly". America, esp Senators, like scapegoats. Individuals we can pin the blame on and say "You screwed up! You're fired!" okay, problem solved! I fixed it! All of Boeing has HUGE problems and naming an individual isn't going to fix it. US Gov needs to go in and review all the steps in details. What are the failurem modes? Between this and the Max, Boeing can't be trusted with its own internal processes anymore.
- lupusreal 3y ago
  The NTSB can't get an interview with Technician#2512 unless they know who the fuck that is. They need to know who to talk to. Whether that name is subsequently omitted from public documents is another matter.

irjustin 3y ago

> They can give detailed testimony The incident report can be given this without naming the individual. Technician#2512.... And thusly I agree with your last sentence - it's not just one guy having the problem. There was a chain of failures. If someone forgot to put the plugs back, who was performing the inspection that that confirmed the plug was there? Who is the safety engineer that signs "this plane is fit to fly". America, esp Senators, like scapegoats. Individuals we can pin the blame on and say "You screwed up! You're fired!" okay, problem solved! I fixed it! All of Boeing has HUGE problems and naming an individual isn't going to fix it. US Gov needs to go in and review all the steps in details. What are the failurem modes? Between this and the Max, Boeing can't be trusted with its own internal processes anymore.

lupusreal 3y ago
The NTSB can't get an interview with Technician#2512 unless they know who the fuck that is. They need to know who to talk to. Whether that name is subsequently omitted from public documents is another matter.